Well, it's very difficult, Mr. Chairman, to say yes or no. It may be from a technical view, possible, but we haven't concluded our discussions on it, so I don't know.
Debates of June 19th, 1995
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Committee Motion 74-12(7): To Amend Clause 7 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Committee Motion 74-12(7): To Amend Clause 7 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Ballantyne.
We can move on to some other clauses. What I suggest is we defer this particular clause, move on and we'll take a little more time. Then once we have it sorted out amongst everybody, then we can bring it forward. I move to defer this item.
Committee Motion 74-12(7): To Amend Clause 7 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Ballantyne, perhaps you can specifically state the specific clause deferred. Can you repeat the motion, please?
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Michael Ballantyne Yellowknife North
Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 10 of this act be deferred.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. There is a motion on the floor to defer clause 10. To the motion. Mr. Minister, did you want to speak to the motion?
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
(Microphone turned off)
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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An Hon. Member
Question.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
---Carried
Clause 10 of Bill 25 is deferred.
Clause 11.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Qujannamiik. Clause 12. Mr. Koe.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Fred Koe Inuvik
I would just like to say for the record that for clauses 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 --and I only want to say it once --we have to respect treaty and aboriginal rights because all these clauses have the word "tuition" in them, and I want to make the record very clear that I'm very concerned about setting tuition fees on aboriginal people. I'm opposed to that at this stage.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Your concern is duly noted. Mr. Minister.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Just for the advice of my honourable colleagues, there is already a section in the existing Education Act which deals with this particular matter. So we're taking that as part of a change, that we're allowing this particular matter to be part of the responsibility of the district education authorities and the divisional educational councils.
One other thing that I want to advise the honourable Member of is that we do take note of the concern. It was one of the discussions we held with the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs on the matter of transportation and other tuition matters. I believe in Yellowknife we resolved it. Some of these issues can be resolved, with the discussion of the department itself. So we have already noted that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Dent.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to subsection (2), I'm just wondering who is intended to enforce the provisions of this act.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
HON, RICHARD NERYSOO: I'll ask Ms. Whitehouse to respond, please.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Ms. Whitehouse.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Whitehouse
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a general penalty provision that basically anyone can enforce. It is aimed at a parent of a child who has not yet become a student, so a social agency could enforce it, the school itself or a citizen of the Northwest Territories could report a person under (2) and start the process.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Clause 12. Mr. Dent.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know there is some concern among school boards that it shouldn't be seen as their responsibility to necessarily enforce the provisions of compulsory attendance. I think we all support compulsory attendance, and I think it's something that I shouldn't say we all do, I should say that there is, in general, widespread support for compulsory attendance. But unless there's a simple and effective means of enforcing it, is there any point to having it in the bill? I don't think that any of the school districts would feel that they have the resources to police and enforce compulsory attendance.
Is there going to be a territorial truant officer who is going to go around and police whether or not people have registered and are attending, or is this being left up to the general public or someone who is out there who notices a problem to make a complaint?
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Minister.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Thank you. I'll ask Ms. Whitehouse to respond again.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Ms. Whitehouse.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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Whitehouse
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are two sections in the act that the Member is referring to. Section 12 deals with the requirement to register a child. Section 27 of the proposed bill is the section that requires attendance once a child is registered as a student. It is section 27 that the act provides the school and the principal to enforce. Under section 12, until a child is registered with a school, the school can't enforce the attendance of that child. This section is simply to require the parent to register the child with a school. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 75-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Clause 12. I have Mrs. Thompson and Mr. Antoine. Mrs. Thompson.