This is page numbers 1217 - 1274 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

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Members Present

Hon. Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Hon. Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Hon. Samuel Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Hon. Don Morin, Hon. Kelvin Ng, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Hon. Manitok Thompson, Hon. John Todd.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

I wish to thank Elisha and Komo for performing the traditional Inuit spiritual song to open our session today. Elisha and Komo are from Iqaluit. I would also like to thank the Deputy Premier for making the arrangement. Thank you.

Orders of the day, Ministers' statements, Mr. Premier.

Minister's Statement 118-13(3): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise members that the Honourable Jim Antoine will be absent from the House today to attend a funeral in Fort Simpson. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 118-13(3): Minister Absent From The House
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Ministers' Statements, Mr. Dent.

Minister's Statement 119-13(3): Mining Training Initiatives
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October 16th, 1996

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. We all want to make sure that northerners benefit from current high levels of mineral activity and particularly from the many mines that will be established in the future. This Government is very active in the area of training for jobs in the mining industry. I want to bring the Assembly up to date on some of the initiatives that are being undertaken.

Training programs must proceed in a coordinated manner and they must meet the needs of industry and northerners. During the summer, I established a Committee on the mining sector, to give me advice on how to improve the development and delivery of mine training. The Committee includes industry, government and Aboriginal representatives. The Committee has met regularly during the past several months and initiatives are proceeding in a number of areas. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has invested $300,000 this year to support mine training programs delivered by the public colleges. Aurora College has developed a pre-employment mine training program, that has produced a number of successful graduates in several communities.

Mr. Speaker, 22 students successfully completed a six-week job-shadowing course sponsored by the Community Mobilization Group, in which the Department is a partner, along with the private sector and other Government departments. The Department assisted with funding for courses in Kugluktuk and Hay River which gave participants a better understanding of the job opportunities available and helped them build practical skills. The Department is sponsoring similar programs in Rae Lakes, N'dilo and Detah.

Small business management courses are being run in Rae, Rae Lakes, N'dilo and Detah to prepare people to set up their own businesses to provide services to the mining industry.

As well, the Department is co-operating with a number of partners to provide a pre-engineering technology program through Aurora College. Fifteen students are enroled and we anticipate that the graduates will have direct access to engineering programs at Northern Alberta Institute of Technology.

The Department is also working with several partners to deliver a 12-week heavy equipment operator program in Yellowknife for 10 people. The partnership includes the North Slave Metis Alliance, BHP Diamonds, RTL Robinson Enterprises, and Aurora College. The College has also developed a mill operator training course and prospector training.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Apprenticeship Program continues to be an important means of preparing northern residents for jobs in the mining industry. Education, Culture and Employment is supporting PCL Construction in its work to identify and train apprentices at the BHP mine site.

To ensure northerners know about the variety of jobs and training opportunities in the mining industry, the Department has developed a booklet called "Jobs in Mining." It has been distributed to career centres, schools, adult education centres and college campuses. Aurora College has also developed a handbook that describes the college programs that will help prepare people for these jobs.

Mr. Speaker, growth in the mining industry will continue to translate into jobs for northerners. NWT residents are ready, willing and able to take those jobs. Because of this Government's initiatives, considerably more will be well-prepared in the very near future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 119-13(3): Mining Training Initiatives
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Ministers' Statements, Mr. Ng.

Minister's Statement 120-13(3): National Foster Family Week
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker National Foster Family Week runs from October 20 to October 26.

In recognition of this week, the Department of Health and Social Services, the Government of the Northwest Territories and the people of the north would like to extend their gratitude to foster families.

Foster families care for children in need and contribute to protecting our children and our future.

Fostering is a challenging and demanding responsibility, and requires great courage and energy from those involved.

Communities and the child welfare system depend on foster families, whose services allow children to remain in their community when they cannot live with their own families.

It is also important that children be placed with foster families from the same cultural background wherever possible.

Although every community needs foster families, some communities do not have enough families willing to perform this important service. This means that some children will have to leave their own community to get the care they need, disrupting their school and support system.

I hope more families will join the fostering program so children in need can have a better chance at success as they will receive quality care in a stable environment until they can return to their family home.

Mr. Speaker, I call on the Members of this House to join with me in recognizing foster families for their efforts, diligence, and tireless caring. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 120-13(3): National Foster Family Week
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Ng. Ministers' statements, Mr. Kakfwi.

Minister's Statement 121-13(3): Financial Support For Economic Development
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday we acknowledged the important role small business plays in our lives. Business people and their employees represent just over half of our northern workforce. It is within the mandate of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to provide financial assistance and support to aid in the expansion of this essential part of our economy. Mr. Speaker, I would like to highlight what we are doing

with respect to financial support to stimulate the small business sector.

In the last six months, the department has approved 147 grants to small businesses totalling $300,000. Eligible businesses are small and include arts and crafts producers, commercial renewable resource harvesters and other businesses, most of which would be considered "cottage industry."

The Business Development Fund offers larger sized contributions to businesses for such purposes as business plans, start up costs, market and product development and improving business skills. Since April 1996, 208 contributions, total $2,682,561, have been awarded to some 200 northern businesses. Through this program Wha Ti Development Corporation has purchased surveying equipment and will offer survey training to local residents. An Aklavik resident is establishing a local tourism venture. A Pangnirtung resident is starting a welding business and Pelly Bay businessman is attending a financial business management workshop.

As Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, I am also responsible for two corporations that are important players in stimulating economic development. The NWT Business Credit Corporation provides loans to territorial businesses, In 1995 the Corporation provided 85 loans for a total of $8 million, so far this year, 49 loans totalling $3,900,000 have been approved.

The Northwest Territories Development Corporation manages businesses in 19 of the smaller communities. About 400 people are employed through these operations.

Mr. Speaker, our Government knows that growth of our economy depends upon the private sector. The Northwest Territories is rich with natural resources. With their knowledge of the land, northerners have some special abilities that can be applied to mineral exploration. One of our small but successful programs, has been providing grubstakes and training for potential prospectors. This year, training courses were held in Arviat and Kimmirut and $90,000 have been provided to 22 prospectors.

The last area I would like to highlight is the traditional economy. This is the oldest sector in our economy, so I suppose we could say that the men and women operating in this sector are the longest established independent business persons in the Northwest Territories. They harvest the bounty of the land and waters using the results of their labour and experience to feed themselves and their families. They manufacture products for their own use and to sell to others. Some of their effort may generate some seasonal income. The work these people do is not always recorded in the employment and income statistics, but it is an important part of our economy. The estimate value of the wildlife harvest alone, excluding commercial operations, is over $35,000,000 a year. We know that over 90% of Aboriginal households participate in these activities and this work fulfils the same basic needs for food, clothing and shelter as wages and profits do in the wage economy. As well, these activities maintain the traditions and skills of our northern cultures.

To support the traditional economy, approximately $1,000,000 has been provided this year to purchase equipment, access harvesting areas, encourage trappers to produce well-handled, high quality furs, teach harvesting skills and conduct organized hunts for communities. For seven years, the Department has also provided funding for projects that demonstrate new ways to use renewable resources or promote environmental protection. Since the beginning of the fiscal year 30 projects have received a total of $80,000 to test outpost camp incinerators in Southern Baffin, to test a heater that will use waste oil in Inuvik, and to conduct salt water fishery tests for cod in Hudson Bay. Regional land claim organizations and communities are also developing their harvester support initiatives by matching funds with the $5 million they will receive from the Department.

Mr. Speaker, this government is committed to expanding and strengthening the northern economy. These are a few examples of how public funds are working to benefit our residents and economy. Thank you.

Minister's Statement 121-13(3): Financial Support For Economic Development
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Ministers' statements, Mr. Ng.

Minister's Statement 122-13(3): Addictions Services Reform
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to provide the members with an update on Addiction Services Reform.

The Department of Health and Social Services has undertaken an extensive review of the way in which it administers Addictions Services.

While the Department has traditionally allocated large amounts of funding to address the problems of addiction, there have been varying perceptions as to the effectiveness of this program.

The reforms will address some historical funding equities, such as the over- and under-funding of community programs, and the lack of services for youth, while at the same time encouraging greater community ownership of community problem, and potential solutions.

I would like to provide Members with a brief summary of the steps the Department is taking.

The Department is reviewing the feasibility of formula funding Addictions Services to communities.

We will continue to move towards per diem treatment centre funding. There are alternative ways of doing this, which we will explore.

These are extremely complex issues and Department staff are presently reviewing the implications of moving control for Addictions Services to communities and regions.

In two years time we anticipate that treatment centres will be 100% funded on the basis of a fee-for-service.

This process will result in treatment centres being more responsive to people's needs and offering a broader range of services. As well, it will allow centres to explore other markets.

Mr. Speaker, the Department also recognizes the need for early intervention and is therefore committed to directing more funding to youth services.

Initiatives like youth treatment will be supported; however, to do this existing addictions funding will have to be re-profiled.

We must move to address addictions' issues when they first emerge, rather than waiting for them to escalate into full-blown treatment situations.

We will address the issue of fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effect and try to prevent these problems, rather than allocating our resources to deal with them when they have already occurred.

Mr. Speaker, the referral process is also being reviewed and a much less confusing system will be in place by the new year.

Community-based addictions projects standards and treatment centre standards will be in place for the new fiscal year.

These will provide long-needed guidelines for staff and the ability to monitor program effectiveness on an ongoing basis.

System reform should promote greater accountability for funding, improved after-care for clients, and a clear justification for why communities are funded at specific levels.

Mr. Speaker, many of the changes I have discussed have financial implications, however, it is very important to note that these changes will improve Addiction Services to those requiring treatment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 122-13(3): Addictions Services Reform
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Ng. Minister's Statements, Ms. Thompson.

Minister's Statement 123-13(3): Community Name Changes
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my culture when babies are constantly upset or ill we change their names. We change their names to give the babies a new life and a new more positive attitude. I am not suggesting that changing a name is always used when there is a problem. What I am saying is that in my culture we are used to changing names. We will often change a name to suit a new situation.

Mr. Speaker, it is with great pleasure that I stand today to recognize the name change of Coppermine to Kugluktuk, which in my language might mean that there is falls over there - water falls, and Lake Harbour to Kimmirut, and there might be a place there that looks like a hill according to the name change. While the former names have great historical value, they did not recognize the traditional names that have been used by the peoples of these areas.

Mr. Speaker, these name changes also recognize that communities are taking great pride in their traditions and culture. These names are not new. They have been used for generations by the people who live there. These names have more geographic meaning. They express a cultural and social meaning to the people.

Mr. Speaker, I ask you and all the Members of this Assembly to join me in congratulating the people of Kugluktuk and Kimmirut for these historic name changes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 123-13(3): Community Name Changes
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The Speaker

Thank you, Ms. Thompson. Ministers' statements. Members' statements, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The people of the Western Territory have an opportunity before us. A committee of western MLAs and Aboriginal leaders have met over the summer months and have released a Draft Constitution for public consultation. I trust everyone agrees that it would be good to dwell together in harmony and unity.

The guiding principles are the foundation of partners in a new beginning. If we agree to these principles, we have a good start.

The model being presented is a draft. As much as I doubt that the majority of my constituents will embrace this specific model, I recognize that Aboriginal leaders will face similar challenges in arriving at a deal that their constituents can support.

It will only be a good and workable alliance if all parties can willingly participate because they see the proposal as balanced and fair. Let us stay focused on what we are trying to achieve bringing public and Aboriginal self-government together in partnership.

Representation is a key issue, because the people see it as their vehicle of significant, and clearly defined, participation through elections. A large and costly central government is contrary to the trend of the diminishing role of our central government. Communities through community empowerment and regional Aboriginal self-government through devolution of powers and authorities are assuming more and more control.

Powers of the central government are supposed to flow up from the communities and the regions as opposed to powers being devolved downwards. In that regard, in this draft, I do not necessarily see protection for those governments. I have no problem with guaranteed representation in a partnership agreement, however, I believe that there may be more equitable models of representation presented in the original one-house and two-house models contained in appendices, other models considered.

The demographics of the 14 existing ridings, ranging from populations of 800 to over 4,000, is already fairly generous in terms of regional representation. Ten of the 14 ridings are predominantly Aboriginal in make up and will continue to be for some time to come. To add eight guaranteed Aboriginal seats to this mix raises the question of perception of fairness and balance.

I also have some concerns regarding ratification of the constitution, but it may be premature to address this until a plan has been proposed and defined.

Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
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The Speaker

Your time is up.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays, Mrs. Groenewegen, you have unanimous consent.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A lot of work has gone into this document. It is based on good principles. It would be a shame to see it break down, but concerns on all sides must be respectfully addressed. I remain confident that northerners have the capacity to do that. We need to ask the necessary questions, we need to search for the right answers, and we need to do that together. If we proceed with good faith, with common sense, and with a willingness to hear and observe other points of view, our chances of being collectively successful will increase considerably. I look forward to returning to my constituency and starting this process of consultation. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Members' statements, Mr. Steen.

Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to take this opportunity to thank the members of the Constitutional Working Group for all the time and effort they have put towards the presentation of this Draft Constitutional Proposal. It should be noted, however, that this is only a draft proposal for discussion purposes only, and that the document in question still requires endorsement of each individual Aboriginal group.

Mr. Speaker, my statement today has more to do with the ratification process. In a recent western caucus meeting, a member of this Cabinet strongly suggested that the ratification process may not be a plebiscite of one man - one vote, but rather block voting by the concerned groups on the name for the new territory. This option was again voiced in the recent Constitutional Development Steering Committee in regards to the ratification of the constitution in total.

I also have here, Mr. Speaker, a memo from the chair of the Western Caucus suggesting a meeting on options for ratification of the new constitution.

Mr. Speaker, this Government and this country as a whole, has in place an accepted form of ratification called the public plebiscite, and I for one will not even consider any other form of ratification than one man - one vote. This issue of Division of this territory was decided in this manner. It follows that ratification of the constitution of the new territory should follow the same pattern.

Mr. Speaker, I would not support funding of the ratification process, other than the normal and accepted form. I would also not support funding at the Constitutional Working Group, as this group will be touring the communities for the following reasons:

1. The group would be seen and perceived as the group responsible for selling this proposal to the public.

2. That in these times of restraint financing... Mr. Speaker, I would request unanimous consent to finish my statement.

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The Speaker

The member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

2. In these times of restraint financing, we as a government cannot afford the funds set for a large touring group, while at the same time we cut 3 or 400 positions.

Mr. Speaker, I could and would, however, support funding a small panel of three impartial persons with constitutional background experience to undertake the responsibility of touring the communities and seek comments and in the end bring back to this House a final draft for consideration and ratification by the public at large.

Mr. Speaker, I am concerned as to what the position of this Government is in regards to an accepted democratic constitutional process, and I will be asking the Premier for his position on this at the appropriate time today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Members' statements, Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday the process of developing a constitution for the new Western Territory took a big step forward with the release of the Proposed Draft Constitution. We all know that this is not a perfect document. In fact, the final constitution of the Western Territory may very well be quite different, but it will serve as a starting point for public discussion.

The citizens of the Western Territory now have the opportunity to study the proposal, to look at some alternatives, and to make suggestions and criticisms if necessary. There are elements of this proposal that many will appreciate. On the other hand, there are many elements that many will find distasteful. While I hope the debate over the constitution will be civil, I do not expect it to be one-sided. I am quite prepared to listen to feedback from all residents of the western NWT even though I know much of the feedback will disagree with the proposal or will disagree with my thoughts and opinions on our future constitution.

Anyone who thinks this draft constitution is going to sail smoothly through the seas of public opinion is sorely mistaken. So, for any Member of this House to respond to criticism of the draft proposal with demeaning or disrespectful comments is completely unacceptable. I sincerely hope that every Honourable Member in this House can keep an open mind in preparation for the feedback that will come from the public regarding this draft proposal.

One of our Honourable colleagues from the east often tells us, and this House, about the need to have a thick skin. Well, he is right. We are not here to assume that the public will always agree with us or even that we will always agree with each other. We have to be adult enough to accept criticism, to treat it with respect and to use it as a base for debate and discussion that will lead to solutions that will benefit all northerners. To do otherwise is small minded and petty and I expect better from my Honourable colleagues in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.