This is page numbers 87 - 119 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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Season's Greetings
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to use my member's statement to wish people in the Northwest Territories, my fellow colleagues, people of Inuvik, and especially my wife and children, Merry Christmas. I am happy to say that, in another two weeks, I will be home to spend the majority of the Christmas season with my family.

I would like to say something about Christmas. It is not just a time of lights and presents, but it is a time of people getting together, sharing stories, and renewing old partnerships and friendships. A time to reflect back on all the accomplishments we have made. How few or how many. I think it is a time to truly reflect on the blessings we have received. Something my father told me, after we had the Christmas dinner prayer. As we sat down to eat, he would say, look at all we have, and how many out there, that do not have any. Mr. Speaker, colleagues, during this time of Christmas, I would hope that the spirit of sharing and caring would be with us during this Christmas season. Thank you.

-- Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Season's Greetings
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As this the last session of this year 1996, I would also like to take this opportunity to wish all the peoples of the Northwest Territories, the residents of Yellowknife and the members of this House a very special and happy Christmas. I would also like to take the opportunity to reassure my wife and family that I will be spending a lot of time at home over the Christmas season.

Mr. Speaker, as we know, the festive season is a time for families to come together. It is also a time for friends to visit friends, and spend extra time with them, at this time of the year. I had some discussions with the finance minister, and he informed me that he has not really made a lot of friends this year. So, he may have a little extra time over the holiday season, that the rest of us will not have. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to wish yourself, and all the staff of this Legislative Assembly and the government of the Northwest Territories, who have put a phenomenal amount of work and dedication into the past year, I would like to, on behalf of the members of this House, ensure them that they are appreciated. We wish them, and their families, a very happy and holy Christmas. Amen.

-- Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Concerns With Amalgamation Of Transportation, Public Works And Services, And The NWT Housing Corporation
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I feel like the Grinch, because my statement has nothing to do with Christmas. Today, I would like to make a statement regarding the proposed amalgamation of Transportation, Public Works and Services, and the NWT Housing Corporation. I have serious concerns about this proposed amalgamation. But I have bigger concerns with how this initiative is, apparently, transforming into reality, right before our eyes.

A motion was passed in the last session clearly outlining the need for this initiative to be debated in and approved by, this House. However, yesterday in the House, we had difficulty and complications in achieving the simple first step of having the discussion document tabled in the House. The Premier sited the process which we all agreed to as members when we were elected, which would see the review of decisions in committee on such things as budgets, amalgamations of departments, et cetera. When you consider the time lines and target dates for implementation of this amalgamation, the significance of the input of committees and ordinary members must be brought into question.

Lay-off notices to employees, who are associated with the user say/user pay initiative, have already gone out. Some components, minor as they are, of the supplementary appropriation are also association with user say/ user pay, which is part of the bigger issue of amalgamation. Mr. Todd tells us that these lay-off notices are the responsible and compassionate way to treat our public service employees. I am being very careful not to use the word irresponsible today here - responsible and compassionate - because I would not want to offend anyone. He also tells us that these lay-off notices can be retracted if we do not proceed with this initiative. I think that they are serious risks associated with such actions.

In summary, I would ask the government to observe the committee structure in the decision making process and the direction and motions passed in this House. For the record, neither committee or this House, has sanctioned the amalgamation of Transportation, Public Works and Services, and the Housing Corporation. I look forward to raising specific concerns in Committee of the Whole today. Thank you.

-- Applause

Concerns With Amalgamation Of Transportation, Public Works And Services, And The NWT Housing Corporation
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Far North Film Festival
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members will still be in Yellowknife, today, and for the next two weeks. I would like to make reference to the fact that, for the past two days and continuing on this evening in Yellowknife, at Northern Arts and Cultural Centre, is the first annual Far North Film Festival. For those of you who are interested in films on the north, and they are concentrating on films on the north. For instance there is the film, The Road to Rae, which was produced by a Yellowknife group. It might be of interest to the public and members here to go to that.

I want to pass on my Christmas greetings to my constituents, Mr. Speaker, as well as the staff of the Government of the Northwest Territories, and to members of this House. Also, to the staff, who are working for the government. We do appreciate the tremendous contribution, and we do hope they have a good Christmas, and a prosperous new year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Far North Film Festival
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Are there are any further members' statements? Mr. Erasmus.

Improving Adult Education In The Northwest Territories
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to make my statement on a more serious matter. It is in relation to what the honourable member from the Fort Rae area had talked about, which is education. Mr. Speaker, the Premier, in his speech the other day, indicated that we should focus on three core priorities. Two of those were to improve economic conditions and to address social conditions.

Those are, I believe, directly related to the education levels of Northerners. For years, the Legislative Assembly has stressed the need for education for all northern residents. We made several movements in that area, including adopting a small school secondary program, implementing a new education act, and dramatically expanding the roles of Aurora and Nunavut Arctic College.

In 1996, there was a snapshot done of the western NWT labour market, which showed having more education increases the chance of getting a job. It showed that 29 percent of those, with less than grade 9, have a job. Only 29 percent. At the same time, it showed that if you have a university degree, you are almost guaranteed to have a job. Those were at a 91 percent level. Those numbers may have changed a little since then.

Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Improving Adult Education In The Northwest Territories
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The member from Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus, you have unanimous consent.

Improving Adult Education In The Northwest Territories
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, as I said, those may have changed a little, because of the fact that we have amalgamated and soon. Because, in the previous study, it was shown that people with a university degree had a 95 percent opportunity of having a job.

Another study, that was done recently, was by Aurora College. In their corporate plan from 1995 to the year 2000, it showed a clear link between education, employment opportunities and pay levels. Mr. Speaker, that report indicates that if you have grade 8 or less, you only have a 33 percent chance of getting a job. And you would be working for an average pay of less than $14,000.00. If you had grade 9 to grade 11, you had a 50/50 chance of getting a job. And you would work for an average pay of $21,000.00.

If you had a university degree, as I said earlier, you would have a 91 percent chance of getting a job. You would be working for an average pay of close to $50,000.00. There is a huge disparity there, Mr. Speaker.

Now another source, that I looked at, is the Canadian Fact Book on Poverty. You would have to remember that your job, and your education, are directly related to the amount of money you make. So if you make more money, you have a good education. If you have a poor education, you make less money. Less money, of course, is related to poverty. This report showed that children who came from poor families, were more than twice as likely to drop out of high school, Mr. Speaker. It also showed that close to three-quarters of the children that were in care at foster homes came from low income families, Mr. Speaker.

It also showed that child mortality, deaths at child birth, and shortly thereafter, are related to income. If a child came from a low income family, then that child was twice as likely to die, than if that child had come from a higher income family. That same report showed that boys coming from low income families were more than three times as likely to die from drowning, than if they came from a higher income family. It also showed that children from low income families are almost twice as likely, than a child from a higher income family, to have a psychiatric disorder, to do poorly in school, and to develop conduct disorder - in other words, to behave destructively.

Mr. Speaker, we like to speak about improving economic conditions and improving social conditions. These reports, which I have cited, and intend to table a document on later, these documents all show that without improving the education levels of the adults in the Northwest Territories, we have a very poor chance of improving social conditions. If we do improve economic conditions, it certainly won't be for those people with poor educations.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to conclude by wishing a Merry Christmas to my family, to my constituents, to all the people of the NWT, and also to my fellow members here at the Legislative Assembly. And a very hardy thank you and Merry Christmas to the staff at the Legislative Assembly, and all of the GNWT staff. Thank you.

Improving Adult Education In The Northwest Territories
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements, members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have much opportunity to welcome people from Iqaluit, but at this time it gives me extreme pleasure to introduce Ann Hanson, who as a lot of people in the Assembly know, is the Chair of the Baffin Regional Health Board. Sitting next to Annis Pat Cremie, the CEO of the Baffin Regional Health Board, and one of the few women, or people for that matter, I have seen go toe to toe with Mr. Todd, and hold her own. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Arlooktoo.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Celine Ningark, who is a member of the Nunavut Social Development Council, a councillor of the Hamlet of Pelly Bay, a member of the Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education, and happens to be the better half of our chair of Nunavut, Mr. John Ningark.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Dent.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a young lady from Japan in our gallery today. Kiomi Marata is a Rotary exchange student from Seiki, Japan which is near Osaka. She will be living in Yellowknife for one year. She is a grade 11 student at St. Patrick High School, and will manage to enjoy living with several families in Yellowknife, who are members of the Rotary Club, while she is here.

She is accompanied today with her acting mother, right now, Muriel Tolley, and her acting brother, James Tolley.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Ningark.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I can recognize my better half, after living with her for some 30 years. Celine, thank you.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Krutko.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like recognize Pat Thomas, John Todd's partner in crime.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Oral questions. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko.

Question 53-13(4): Hiring Practices And Managerial Attitudes Toward Aboriginal People
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for Minister for Social Services, Mr. Ng. It is regarding my opening statement about the hiring practices of hospital managers, and allowing them to manage. But I think there also has to be a mechanism there to ensure that individuals such as aboriginal people, who have became registered nurses, dentists, to allow then a fair and equitable way of getting in the work force, and also becoming active in communities, where a lot of them have come from. They have taken the time to go southern institutions, or northern institutions, to get their degree as registered nurses, or dentists, or other fields, in management positions.

My question to the minister is, what mechanism do you have to ensure that, yes, we have a lot of managers to manage, but there has to be, for the individuals themselves to be able to file their complaints without having to feel that they are going to threatened by the managers, by either being put on part time work or taken off full time work, is there a mechanism that you do use so that, in case they cannot work out their grievances with their manager, there is another approach they can take to resolve these things?

Question 53-13(4): Hiring Practices And Managerial Attitudes Toward Aboriginal People
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng.

Return To Question 53-13(4): Hiring Practices And Managerial Attitudes Toward Aboriginal People
Question 53-13(4): Hiring Practices And Managerial Attitudes Toward Aboriginal People
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, I guess that would depend on the position that the honourable member is speaking about. There is a grievance procedure through the collective agreement, if it is a unionized position, and if not, individual boards have policies for personnel matters that would set out terms and conditions under which they work and, to my understanding, terms and conditions under which they could file complaints to address their issues, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.