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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, I believe that the Member, when he was talked about the East, was referring to the Baffin or Iqaluit fuel resupply.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

(Microphone turned off) ... supply.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I am referring to the Iqaluit fuel supply.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister, you have the clarification.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask Mr. Lovely to respond to that.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Lovely.

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Lovely

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have to apologize. I am not clear that it actually is 10 years. I haven't been given that detail. I do know that it is a longerterm contract. The fuel supply for Iqaluit is a very large proportion of the Eastern Arctic fuel resupply. In 1996, Iqaluit received over 53 million litres of fuel. For the rest of the Territories, in 1995-96, the total resupply was 94.857 million. This Iqaluit contract is a large one that will be entered into with a consortium of Nunavut firms who will have to make a relatively large investment in order to get it off the ground. It was felt that a longer-term contract was needed to encourage them to get going on it.

This is a new requirement for the government because it was previously handled by the federal government. They are only turning it over to us for this coming season. So it will be the first time that we have an obligation in Iqaluit that previously has been handled by the federal government. It was our intention, rather than continuing the arrangements they had, to go out to tender and see if we could get a northern business interested in doing it rather than continuing the arrangements the federal government had with Shell Canada.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, normally it takes more funding to encourage someone with a smaller contract rather than with a larger contract. I am also concerned about this government making commitments beyond the year 1999. I am concerned from two points. One is that we are committing ourselves to making payments for Nunavut when we know that in 1999, we will no longer be responsible for Nunavut. I am also concerned that we are committing the Nunavut government to contracts that we don't have a right to commit them to at this point in time. Is it really realistic that we should be committing ourselves to a contract longer and beyond 1999 if we were able to do shorter-term contacts for the Keewatin and for the Western Arctic?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, legally, the department can go into a longer-term contract with this group. However, I should note that the new Nunavut government is not really under an obligation to take it on. When you take on longer-term contracts of this size, you achieve economies of scale. You save money. So it would be in their interest to take on the contract, rather than paying more for another newer or shorter-term contract. This is something that the Minister of Finance will be dealing with when he starts negotiating with Ottawa on the new formula funding arrangements. Hopefully, that will be quite soon. That question is a good one and it is something we are keeping an eye on.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, if we had taken on longer-term contracts for the Iqaluit fuel resupply in order to get the price down, why did we not do that with the Western Arctic and with the Keewatin? We just finished signing a contract in the Western Arctic.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, the amount of capital infrastructure that was needed was different and the one in Iqaluit required more. It required the new contractor to put more of an investment in whereas, in the Western Arctic fuel resupply, the infrastructure is already there. That is where the difference is.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The same news report that we have been receiving is that this company is also claiming to have received the contract for privatization of the fuel tanks and tank farms in Iqaluit. I would like to know from the Minister if he would confirm or deny that this tank farm was part of the deal, bearing in mind that he just finished telling us that there is no privatization of the large facilities until the committee has had a chance to review the policy.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, I haven't reviewed this particular file, so I am not up to date on it. I am going to ask the deputy minister to respond.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Lovely.

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Lovely

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There was an earlier question about whether or not the department was proceeding with any privatization without coming back to the Infrastructure committee, for example, to talk it over. The answer that we gave is we aren't doing that. The Iqaluit situation is one where we don't have responsibility for that until September 1996. The federal government is currently handling it through an arrangement with Shell. We didn't consider it privatization to find a way to avoid taking on one more responsibility that we felt the private sector could handle. So when the question was asked about whether we were privatizing it, we didn't consider this privatizing of an existing government operation. It was avoiding taking on more responsibility for something the private sector could do. This is no different than a situation that we have in Inuvik, Hay River or Yellowknife where the community is large enough for the private sector to do this work outside of government.

So we did this to get a better price and it looks, with this longer-term contract, like we are going to be getting some significant returns and going to avoid taking on more responsibility at a time when we are trying to encourage the private sector growth.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, thank you. The responsibility for the fuel delivery to Iqaluit is with the federal government. Considering that the federal government has indicated that they prefer to deal strictly with NTI at this time for preparation for Nunavut infrastructure, why are we taking on this responsibility for delivering fuel to Iqaluit when we have the opportunity to back out now and leave that with the federal government? Mr. Chairman, I bring this up with regard to recent meetings and developments of these

meetings they had in Arviat where it is a done deal. The feds are going to deal with NTI for putting in paid infrastructure for Nunavut. Why are we taking on this responsibility?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.