Mr. Chairman, this infrastructure we are talking about is not part of the new incremental Nunavut infrastructure we were talking about in Arviat. I am told that this may be part of the Arctic A airports transfer when the federal government devolved that responsibility over to the Northwest Territories. It came in conjunction with that.
Debates of May 15th, 1996
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Committee Motion 15-13(3): To Suspend Application Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Committee Motion 15-13(3): To Suspend Application Of The Business Incentive Policy
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Petroleum products, total region, Fort Smith, $365,000.
Committee Motion 15-13(3): To Suspend Application Of The Business Incentive Policy
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Buildings and works, Inuvik, total region, $255,000.
Committee Motion 15-13(3): To Suspend Application Of The Business Incentive Policy
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total region, buildings and works, Baffin, $2.71 million. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Minister the time frame we are looking at for improving these fuel facilities in the Baffin. If we make these improvements, how long are they good for?
Committee Motion 15-13(3): To Suspend Application Of The Business Incentive Policy
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Chairman, most of the time frames for these improvements were started in prior years. For example, the one in Igloolik was started with the design in 1994-95 and the first year of construction was last year. It is scheduled to be completed in 1998-99. The lifespan of the tanks is expected to be 15 to 20 years but, in some cases, they have been in use for over 50 years or longer.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total buildings and works for Baffin, Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, I wasn't particularly concerned about the life of the tanks. I was more enquiring as to how long it would be before we would have to include these facilities again as far as the capacity of these fuel tanks. I presume the department has a policy in place whereby they improve the capacity of the fuel tanks in the communities based on the number of people, or whatever, use that particular product. Therefore, I am wondering are we building the fuel tank in Igloolik ... What we are looking at? What is the government's estimate before we would have to increase the capacities again?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. I will allow the Minister to respond and immediately after the response, I will recognize the clock. Mr. Minister.
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Chairman, it depends partly on how fast the community is growing, the condition of the tanks, et cetera. However, in planning for these fuel tanks, the government tries to project what the needs will be in future years. How far ahead we are looking at, we don't have that information right now, but I would be pleased to pass that on.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. In light of the Speaker's statement today regarding the sitting hours, I will now recognize the clock and we will come back to order at 6:30 this evening. The bells will be rung at 6:30. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Welcome back to Committee of the Whole. We're on page 7-23, reviewing Public Works and Services, petroleum products, building and works, Baffin. The total region is $2.710 million. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I still have questions on total Baffin region. I have questions with regard to those fuel tank construction projects. I understand that the Minister says they do not know, at this point in time, how long these tanks will serve the community as far as capacity. I was wondering when they do these types of projects in the communities, what is their policy. What do they look at for the capacity serving the community? What is normal?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. For the record, we have Mr. Arlooktoo; Dave Waddell, director of finance and administration; Ken Lovely, deputy minister.
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Chairman, I understand that the projection is that the tank farm would be good for a population growth in a community for 10 to 15 years.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would the Minister then agree that we are constructing fuel tanks for Nunavut and that we should have an opportunity to claim some of this cost as incremental for preparation for Nunavut?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Chairman, absolutely not. The money the territorial government gets right now from the federal government and some that we get from tax revenues, the little that is there, is for the NWT East and the West. The incremental costs are for costs that would not have otherwise been borne, other than the fact that Nunavut is being created. These normal day-to-day capital projects that we are at looking at right now are part of what is slated for the whole of the Territories, including these ones in the Baffin.
Committee Motion 15-13(3): To Suspend Application Of The Business Incentive Policy
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May 15th, 1996
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Petroleum products. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand then that this government will not be using this as possible claims against Nunavut, $150 million, or any other future dollars as incremental costs.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.