Mr. Chairman, we would be paying for this now, even if Nunavut had not been planned. Even if Nunavut wasn't going to occur, we would be paying for this anyway. It isn't part of the planning or preparation for Nunavut. It isn't part of those allowable incremental costs.
Debates of May 15th, 1996
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, I believe we should be realistic. We know that Nunavut is a reality. The feds have agreed to it. They have set a date. Therefore, I suggest that these are projects that are preparing Nunavut. The Nunavut government will have no requirement to build these fuel tanks after 1999 because they are good for 10 years. The Minister suggested anywhere from 10 to 15 years should satisfy these communities. Therefore, knowing that we are having division in 1999, we are making expenditures towards the creation of Nunavut. I wish to point that out. I strongly believe that. It could be made as an argument here that we could be asking the federal government to reimburse us for some of this cost. We are preparing these communities for Nunavut. After looking at the capital expenditures: Inuvik region, $255,000; Fort Smith, $365,000. But, when we get to the Nunavut areas, $2.7 million for Baffin; $215,000 for Keewatin; and Kitikmeot is $30,000. 1 don't suggest that the $30,000 and the $215,000 for the Keewatin really reflects what I am suggesting here, but it is strongly reflected here in the Baffin. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Chairman, there is something that we need to remember. The Nunavut region is still part of the Northwest Territories. We still have four Cabinet Members and 11 or 12 MLAs from that area. The revenues that the territorial government gets from the federal government is for all of Nunavut and part of it is for these different regions.
The reason you see these fluctuations between regions is that these projects are staggered. At one point, I am sure if you look back in the other budgets, the Inuvik region would have had more than any other region. It is just that we can't build tank farms on an equal basis across the Territories. It wouldn't be possible.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. We are reviewing the budget funded under the funding formula between the federal government and the GNWT at this time. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, I am not suggesting that we shouldn't be building these facilities in the Baffin. I am suggesting that we should have been taking the opportunity to claim some of these expenses back from the federal government as incremental costs for Nunavut. The Minister
went and shot that opportunity by his statements tonight. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. That was a point made by Mr. Steen. Total region, $2.71 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Buildings and works, Keewatin, total region, $215,000.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Buildings and works, Kitikmeot, total region, $30,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Agreed, Mr. Ng? Reluctantly. Thank you. Total buildings and works, $3.575 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Total activity for this page, $3.575 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. We have page 7-24 and 7-25, details of grants and contributions. It is just an information item. Do we have any questions or comments? Granular program revolving fund; an information item. Schedule lease budget requirements, 7-27, just an information item. Do we have any questions? Schedule of lease budget requirements on page 7-28. Section 7-29, systems and computer services. Any questions? Moving along. Section 7-30, systems and communication, information item. Any questions? Section 7-31, public stores revolving fund, information item. Any questions?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Petroleum products revolving fund, page 32. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Page 33, petroleum products revolving fund, information item. Detail of work performed on behalf of third parties, pages 34 and 35. These are information items. Total department on page 7-36. Total department is $11.714 million. Do we agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
I'm sorry, I just missed something in that $11 million that you mentioned. I wonder if I could refer to that section.