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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This dock is a dock such as you would find in a lot of the eastern communities. It is designed in a way that it will accommodate large ships. It may eventually accommodate ships that would be coming in to resupply the community and the regions.

The tanker moorings that we have decided to hold off for a year were specifically for unloading fuel from large ships. If you are asking if the marine resupply terminal is solely for resupplying the fuel supply in the Keewatin, I have to say no. That isn't solely designed to do that. It is designed to do a lot of other things besides that. Perhaps eventually, if fuel resupply boats come in, they may be able to utilize the terminal as well. Like I said, I have been told by the department that perhaps it is a bad name to put on it if you are trying to tie it to the overall resupply initiative in the Keewatin. I have to say it isn't solely for resupplying the Keewatin fuel. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Keewatin, Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess my concern here is I don't want to be hoodwinked but, on the other hand, I don't want us going into a $100,000 review process with these committee meetings to study the feasibility of this project if this is the main component of it. If that is the case, we should wait. I would look foolish going into a committee when the project has already started.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. There was no question. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

My question to the Minister is I have asked before if this is one of the main components of the fuel tank project in Rankin inlet. I know the Minister has indicated that this would be used for other uses, but he didn't indicate whether it was or wasn't the main part of the overall process.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This terminal here is for resupply for the community and for the region in terms of dry cargo and freight. There are other components of this terminal that will come in future years. The way this particular terminal is designed right now, it could stand alone as a docking facility such as other communities have. If you go to Iqaluit, Pangnirtung or Cambridge Bay, they all have facilities that are there, but this one is designed in a way where it will accommodate the existing supply for the region. I know you are chairing a steering committee and you want to make sure you have all the options open. I have no problem with that. But this terminal is like a wharf. That is what it is.

Once your committee has done its work, they may say otherwise. They may say we will go ahead and provide a resupply facility in Rankin. They may say that. It may go positive rather than against it. So if that happens, we will start talking about the tanker moorings and the types of facilities we need to resupply the fuel at Rankin Inlet. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total region, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I need clarification, as the chairman of the committee that reviewed this. This wasn't an item. It was in relation to a docking facility in which, because they were still going to be barging fuel from Churchill and other locations last year -- this was also through your capital plan expenditures -- this is just additional work that had to be done on it. That is why it is being flagged here now. All we were talking about was the moorings and also the rate of bringing the pipeline in from the offshore. That is where the large expenditure was. That is just my understanding, as chairman of the committee. This was never associated with the tank farm.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We have total region. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are a couple of things I note here. I know that the Minister says nothing more, no wharves. I note that a wharf construction in Whale Cove is only $60,000, but we have a wharf -- if you want to call a marine terminal a wharf -- in Rankin Inlet that is $1.05 million. My particular question is with regard to the tank moorings. Obviously, Rankin Inlet has been able to be supplied in the past without those tanker moorings because of the system of ships that were used. Now, unless we intend to use tankers, there is really no justification for the tanker moorings. So I think the decision to use tankers has to be made before we decide to put in tanker moorings.

Mr. Chairman, I also note that in the report from the standing committee that it says they were surprised to see this project still in there, and that in April the Minister explained that this project was in fact on hold and that a plan was being developed to defer the tanker mooring project for 1997-98. I wonder if the Minister could respond to that for me.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Once we went through the budgeting process and following the committee recommendation that was to cut back $2.5 million after meeting our targets, we had to cut some more in the second year and some more in the third year. This department had taken quite a lot of cuts in the whole budgeting process. Once the $900,000 in the tanker mooring came up, I did say to the committee that I didn't want to cut any more and, therefore, that's why it remained in the books.

The committee is saying that they're surprised that it is still there. What I did is I recommended to the committee, approached the Financial Management Board and had approval to reallocate the $900,000 for the tanker moorings until after Mr. O'Brien's steering committee had done its work. The projects that we had approved were projects that were going to happen anyway in the next year. So what we did was just move some projects ahead. That's how we took care of that. I hope that explains the position that I've taken on this particular one to the honourable Member. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total region. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, it does explain some of my questions, but I still have a question. Are we building the moorings before we have decided to use tankers or are those moorings going to be used for some other purpose? Can they be used for some purpose other than tankers? In other words, if we spend all that money and we decide not to use tankers, wouldn't that be a waste of $900,000?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The tanker moorings are not going to be done this year. They will be discussed again after Mr. O'Brien has done his work with the steering committee. Hopefully, by the end of the summer, we will have a report by that steering committee. At that time we will decide on what we are going to do, whether we are going to have tanker moorings or not. At the present time, we are not going to have tanker moorings this year. The committee is going to be doing its work and by the time it's finished its work its report, it will be after the building season. It will be too late to put any tanker moorings in Rankin Inlet. So rather than cutting the $900,000, we reallocated this to other projects that were going to happen next year anyway. I hope that explains the tanker moorings for this year, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total region, $3.324 million. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, perhaps the Minister or his staff could explain to me how they intend to put these tanker moorings in place once the decision is made to do so. My concern is whether or not there will still be time to do this in this year and whether it's realistic to have it in the budget.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The tanker moorings is on the books but we have all agreed here, following the committee's recommendation and approval of the Financial Management Board, that that $900,000 for the tanker moorings has been reallocated to other projects within the Department of Transportation and that we will revise this estimate after we have concluded. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total region, $3.324 million. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Did I hear the Minister making the statement that $750,000 of that $1.05 million is being provided by the federal government?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.