Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, is the department making plans to take into consideration Holman's relocation in the Western Arctic after division?
Debates of May 21st, 1996
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As it stands now, no. It is my understanding that the municipality of Holman has asked our government to try to retain the funding of their services from the Kitikmeot boards. I don't know the status of discussions to date, but I imagine as we get closer towards division, those types of situations for interterritorial funding agreements would be flushed out more and firmed up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, obviously, after division the health boards would be funded by two separate governments based on the people or the communities in their regions. At some point in time, we have to realize that Holman is in the Western Arctic and, therefore, would be included in the Inuvik health board. I am wondering how else we can see this happening.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would say no different than some of our clients from the Territories now going out to Edmonton, Winnipeg or Montreal for some of their health care services where we have arrangements with those hospital authorities to provide services for our residents. Or, after 1999, the Kitikmeot residents will still be coming to Yellowknife for their medical services. So there would be an arrangement made between one government and another where they would pay for the cost of their constituents to be serviced by the other governments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, I am not so concerned about where Holman residents are going to get their treatment from. I think what we are talking about here is the representation on the board. For instance, I understand that the Inuvik board is supposed to be representing all the people in the Inuvialuit claim. There is talk about the IRC being
represented an that board versus the communities. I presume the Gwich'in will be represented by their chief as well.
That is what I am talking about. It is the political representation rather than where they get the treatment. Of course, there is the amount of funding that the boards get. I can't see myself or anyone else representing that area in the future having to go and sit in the Nunavut government in order to get representation for Holman. That is what I am trying to address here, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister, do we have a clear directive or guideline? Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No, there is no clear guideline as it stands now. This is the first time we will be dividing the Territories. As we go ahead towards 1999, it is one of the issues that will have to be resolved prior to that happening. Of course, we would look for some direction from community leaders and the current political representatives of Holman, which includes Mr. Steen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total operations and maintenance, Mr. Steen.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Mr. Chairman, it would be up to what the political leaders of the day decide -- including yourself, Mr. Steen -- on how they would want to deal with this issue of funding for all government services for Holman. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, I understand the Minister to say that we are going to work this out some time between now and 1999. How do we get the communities involved here so we can work this out? Is his department planning to approach the community or planning to approach the boards?
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The Chair John Ningark
I believe the Minister is seeking direction. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it isn't a specific Department of Health issue. it encompasses more than one department. I would think it is a government-wide issue on how they are going to deal with the funding for Holman. I believe it is something that will probably have to be addressed through the Premier's office because of their overlap between departments. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. We are reviewing the main estimates for 1996-97. If the Minister wishes to respond to 1999 and thereafter, he can. He isn't compelled to answer, but if he wishes to answer to the question of the estimate for 1999 and thereafter, it is his prerogative. But we are dealing with the budget of 1996-97. Total operations and maintenance. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, on page 11-12, it refers to the hospital boards, and that is why I am asking the question. I am not talking about what happens in 1999. I am talking about how my communities get representation today and how this government plans to address that for the future, as well. Now, what they do today is going to be reflected in what happens in the future, obviously. That's why I ask the question, and I think it was in order. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Was that a question, Mr. Steen?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total operations and maintenance. We have Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On Friday, Mr. Evaloarjuk brought up a concern and led some discussion in the area of spousal abuse and shelters. I think he raised an excellent point: Why does the department assist in removing the victim rather than the perpetrator? I understand that in most of the communities in the Northwest Territories, we do have an active police force. We also have JPs. My question to the Minister: Has he or his department, given some consideration to assisting victims in attaining restraining orders against perpetrators so that the victim and family can stay in their home surroundings? I think they've been traumatized enough by the situation without removing them from their present situation. So, again, my question to the Minister is, has he given any consideration to working with communities or families that find themselves in that situation to take advantage of restraining orders that would be available? Thank you.