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Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The $1.074 million is still on the books, yet your argument is that you don't have the resources to build these facilities. You have an increase of 449 per cent with regard to your capital projects for corrections. It sounds like a very large increase with regard to building infrastructure, yet that seems to the be the only thing you seem to be taking a run at.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe I'll try again. The money was brought forward from last year because it wasn't spent last year. That was for the construction of the facilities, the capital end of it. There is no money for the operating end of establishing those community-based correctional facilities. As such, the Department of Justice can't go forward with constructing them at this time without that in place, because you can't

build any facility and not have any money to operate it, thus have a facility sitting empty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I find it kind of ironic that you're saying it won't be filled. Probably 60 or 70 per cent of the people in YCC are from the Mackenzie Delta area. We are also sending our young offenders as far away as Iqaluit. Yet you say you won't be able to fill these facilities. If you're talking about bringing justice closer to the communities so people can deal with their problems, yet it's okay to pay the cost of transporting these people half-way around the country, from one end of the Territories to the other. We're probably the only region in the Territories which does not have a facility. For the number of people we have incarcerated, we're giving the city of Yellowknife an economic benefit due to having these people in their facilities here because of the spin-offs of the costs to run these facilities in the South Slave, Yellowknife, Iqaluit and other areas like that.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I agree, there are a lot of people from the Mackenzie Delta at YCC, just like there are from the Kitikmeot area, as well, which also doesn't have any type of correctional facility, nor does the Keewatin have any type of correctional facility. Regardless of which area has or doesn't have facilities, the fact remains that if these facilities were to be built there are no additional dollars for operating them. No matter what you're spending on travel to get the clientele to the facility, no matter what you're paying now for the correctional workers, the additional correctional workers who would be required for these facilities is where the bulk of the problem is, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Evaloarjuk.

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a small comment to make to support Mr. Picco's earlier statement. In the Baffin region, we know of two individuals who have committed an offence and who are in young offenders' outpost camps in Pond Inlet and Iqaluit. I don't know whether their contracts will be continued. For the last two years, they have had contract problems for maintenance of these facilities. The current contract has been revised from the previous formula and they now have to fill out the contract for the work done, rather than for per them rates. They said that Justice would set up proposals for contracts that would be much simpler than the previous formula used. They would require more clients to fill those facilities so they can operate those facilities. Maybe the Minister can review the contract for Adamie in Iqaluit, as well as Elijah Erkloo in Pond Inlet. We're operating young offenders' camps to see what kinds of contracts can be arranged. The local people could assist the Inuit camp operators who operate young offenders facilities. Since they were supposed to be aboriginal camp operators, what is the problem on the contract that was supposed to be formulated for young offenders' camps? What are they doing now that their contract is no longer in effect?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with respect to Mr. Elijah Erkloo, he decided not to sign a new contract based on a per them basis. In that respect, we will be looking for another contractor. With respect to the Tungait contract, that was renegotiated successfully under the new per them funding. I believe that was the one Mr. Picco was speaking on, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just on some of the comments we're heard here this afternoon, I don't know if this is appropriate or not, but ... As a Member of the Social Programs committee, when we went through these business plans, I would like to assure everyone here there were no personal positions put forward. It was based on information given to us that we made these decisions. Hopefully, at the end of the day, everything will fall out that it was a decision that we had to make at the time.

I had another comment in the area of youth justice. Knowing that the Minister is going to be looking at bringing forward some plans on community wellness and community corrections, is there anything in there to deal with the youth in the system today? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with respect to some of the alternatives and some of the diversion issues, yes, youth would be a part of that planning process, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Minister is with regard to funding for legal aid. I understand, from the Minister's statement, that that is decided by the Legal Services Board. I wonder if the Minister still has the authority to rule the Legal Services Board.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, no, there is a Legal Services Act. It's an independent board and we have a representative on it because of our funding. As it stands now, they are an autonomous board that makes their decisions, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my question is with regard to a concern I have where I understand that my communities of Holman Island and Paulatuk no longer have legal aid services. I'm wondering how the Minister expects these communities to be serviced from the legal aid system if they don't have a representative in a community. I believe at one point in time each community had half a position.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, to my understanding, all individuals throughout the Territories have access to legal aid. The honourable Member may be referring to court workers, I'm not particularly sure if that's the issue or not, but legal aid covers the whole Territories. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.