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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Buildings and works, Keewatin, total region. Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Henry, Mr. Ootes and Mr. Roland. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question to the Minister relates to the allocation of funding for my own community of Arviat. Arviat is one of the fastest-growing communities in the Eastern Arctic. The numbers at this point in time were approximately 300 people less than Rankin. My intent is not to question what is happening with Rankin but, when I look at the numbers, they don't seem to add up. We have $192,000 allocated for 1996-97, nothing for future and we have $2 million for our neighbouring community of Rankin. How do you hope to deal with the growth in this community and in most of the other communities in the Keewatin? There is nothing there compared to our sister community.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand what the concern is from the Member. It depends on the community-governing body and how much input they have or what they have planned for their community and through their MLAs. This is done in consultation with the community. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I understand the Minister correctly, she is saying the department doesn't have a lot of input into the development of these plans and the overall strategy as to how and in which way the communities are going to grow and how you are going to deal with this growth. I find it strange that there wouldn't be a lot of involvement, participation and advice by your department to assist these communities. It just falls into what we talked about for the last six months with community empowerment. I can only assume that MACA would be directly involved in forecasting these figures. What I see here is very unfortunate; the allocation of dollars in the Keewatin. The Keewatin only being part of Nunavut, my question, Mr. Chairman, is how does the Minister see her department getting involved in this area. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have to remind myself not to miss anyone. I have Mr. Henry, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Roland and Mr. Enuaraq. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

As the Department of MACA, we do provide technical advice to the communities and the communities priorize their needs. This is what we base our commitment on, the needs of the community and the priorizing at the community level.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is the Minister stating that what is allocated here in the budget is satisfactory to meet the needs of Arviat and Baker Lake for this year and for the next number of years? Is this what is being stated?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If we started comparing communities, we would have to give each community standard roads, etcetera. The community does priorize the needs of the community. There might be things that Baker Lake and Arviat have that Rankin doesn't have. This is the capital plans of MACA we are dealing with. There are other departments that deal with those other communities. I will have Vern Christensen to respond to this concern.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to add that the figures that are presented in the main estimates are projects that have funding in the first year of the capital forecasting plan and so it isn't entirely apparent from the main estimates how the department proposes to implement capital projects over the next foreseeable period.

In our capital forecasting plan, we do have a number of projects which aren't reflected here but there may be other land development projects, for instance, and other projects for Arviat that might be able to- show that there is more equatability in how the capital plans have been developed for both communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Buildings and works. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Even if we focus on just the residential subdivision work, in the disparity in the numbers, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that, as Mr. Picco says, there is no fairity in the process. Maybe that's politics but, on the same note, I think that it certainly deserves more consideration and, as Mr. Krutko indicated, we are only speaking about, in this case, the residential subdivision work projects, but there seems to be this type of disparity through the whole process. I would have to agree with him on that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I believe there was no question, Mr. O'Brien. We have Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to make a comment which has become a little clearer to me, and it's not a MACA sort of problem; it's an overall problem. I am just noticing that, and I have received this as prior year costs -- I am just making a suggestion for clarity that maybe that should be prior years' costs, because I had believed, too, that that was what was spent just in the previous year. So, it's in the total project, as you pointed out. So, as a housekeeping item, it may be an idea to put an "s" on to that heading for clarity.

Following that, how many building lots will be created in Rankin Inlet when we consider the prior years' development and this present fiscal year development?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The subdivision plan was amended in 1993-94 to increase the density of lots from 201 to 210. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Minister. Just to remind myself, we have Mr. Henry, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Roland, Mr. Enuaraq and Mr. Steen. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman, for some clarification, and maybe the Minister could break it down: How many lots were produced in the prior year for $4.523 million, and how many lots are being created for $1.535 million?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

The revised plan for a new residential subdivision, portions of which received planning approval on February 8, 1993, includes the design of 210 residential lots and commercial, institutional and multi-family blocks of land. Construction of the subdivision started in 1990. By 1992-93, 80 single-family lots and two multifamily blocks of land were developed. By the end of 1994,

66 of these lots will be leased for private homes, public housing and commercial construction. At current consumption rates, approximately 15 to 17 lots per year, this subdivision should meet the community needs for developed lands until 2002. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Keewatin, total region. Mr. Henry.