This is page numbers 619 - 646 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Mrs, Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Madam Chair. It is my understanding that, in all communities of the Northwest Territories, when private home owners receive housing assistance from the corporation to build their own homes, they pay whatever the price is in their community to lease that lot. In most communities, it is $250. In Rankin Inlet, on these new lots, the community itself will set the lease price. The $1,000 I am referring to is what MACA will require the municipality to pay back for those lots. The community itself will decide how much of that they're going to charge their residents.

It is really in line with MACA's policy of having municipalities assume control for the disposition of lands within their municipal boundaries. But it is not my understanding that private home owners would be required to pay the full economic costs of the lot.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mrs. Ballantyne. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. I think that satisfies my question on that point.

I have another question with regard to the future requirements as stated by the development plan. Yesterday, it was suggested that it would serve the community to the year 2002. 1 don't wish to get into an argument about what is considered as development and preparation of Nunavut, versus what the federal government has given this government with regard to funding at this time. But I cannot help taking into consideration the fact that the federal government says they will make money available for development and expansion of the communities in preparation of Nunavut. That is to be part of the $150 million.

What I would like to know is how many lots does this community need developed until the year 1999. After that point in time, I believe it is up to the Nunavut government to deal with this particular issue. I would like to know how many lots this community needs until 1999 and, of that overall package of $12 million, what amount of that money do they need until 1999.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Chair. For 1996-97, they require 21 lots; for 1997-98, they require 23 lots; and, for 1998-99, they require 23 lots. I will refer the question to Mr. Christensen for the capital costs of those lots in those years.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Madam Chair. We have forecast, for those three fiscal years, $1.535 million in 1996-97; $1.673 million in 1997-98; and, $1.297 million in 1998-99.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Christensen. In keeping with Mr. Ningark's remarks yesterday as the chair, I think we will move it around a little bit and then come back to continuing on that line of questioning after having given some of the other Members a chance. Would that be all right, Mr. Steen?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Madam Chair, I'm finished. I think the breakdown allows for future consideration.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

With regard to page 10-31, Keewatin; the thing that jumps out is the overall capital cost of the whole project. It is $12 million. Right now, we're talking about restraint, we're talking about trying to cut back; yet, I don't see too many projects in the other areas with regard to residential subdivision development of over $1 million in any of the other regions. There has to be demand in the other areas because we're saying that there's a shortage of housing. In my riding, I see we have $30,000 to do some work. There's a lot of difference between $30,000 and $1.5 million. Have you done an assessment of exactly where the most need is? Was Rankin picked because it was in the bid to become the capital of Nunavut? Was that part of the preplanning process that was put into it, because of the influx of people with becoming the capital? When they made the decision, were they going to pour $12 million into there, with the intention of it eventually becoming the capital? That is no longer an issue. Was that a factor that was built into making the decision to allow $12 million to go in there over the next couple of years?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Chair. The answer is no. The new residential subdivision has been programmed into the capital plan since 1988 when the Rankin Inlet council identified this area in their capital plan as being the hamlet's next expansion area. So this has been going on for quite some time. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I believe in other ridings they also have plans of developing and expanding. Has the department cut in other areas where they already had plans to develop these subdivisions in the five-year capital plans of other municipalities?

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will be referring this question to Mr. Christensen.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Madam Chair. Our land development forecasting plan for the next five years is based on what the department forecasts will be the lot requirements in communities over that period of time. The amount of money that we spend in any particular year in a community is based on trying to have enough developed lots in inventory so that, at least for the next year, and ideally for the next two or three years, there would be enough developed land available to meet the forecast demand.

It's very much a demand-driven capital plan that we have for land development. In our capital forecasting plan, we've identified for every community -- for every non-tax-based community, at least -funding to meet that demand.

The anomaly with respect to Rankin Inlet is that the lots, in this case, have piped services, which require more to construct. So for piped water and sewer serviced lots, there is a higher initial capital cost relative to the lots that receive only trucked services. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Christensen. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Chair. The whole issue about need ... Right now, you're saying these are residential lots, yet we've just heard that the federal government has cut the CMHC program by $10 million. There are about 3,000 houses that are needed in the North. Do you think that, with these cuts we're seeing coming from the federal government, it will be hard for individuals to acquire funding to build houses in these communities? That seems to be the biggest concern we have, is that there are just not enough resources. If you're saying that this is how much money you're spending over the next couple of years for subdivisions, basically what you're saying is that you're going to need individuals to build houses yet there aren't enough housing units to go around for all the communities in the Northwest Territories. My point is that if we are spending in the range of $12 million in one particular area because of the need of housing, where are you going to get the revenues for these people to build housing? We don't even have enough revenues to access a program to build these units, and other areas are cutting back on funds to develop new subdivisions when there just aren't enough resources out there for people to access funds to build housing units in the smaller communities.

Maybe you could tell me exactly where all the revenue is going to come from for all these houses to be built. Are all the ACCESS dollars we have in the Northwest Territories going to go to Rankin, because they'll have all the land developed but no one else will?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Chair. In Rankin Inlet, the people are building their own homes through funding sources other than the Housing Corporation. There is only a small percentage of ACCESS homes in that area. A lot of the people in Rankin are buying their own materials and building their own homes, or bringing in trailers for those lots. So there is a need for these lots for those people who want to build their own homes and get out of the rent increase situation that is coming up. There is a shortage of lots in Rankin for people who are finding other ways of building homes. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Krutko.