This is page numbers 251 - 279 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was budget.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Committee Members acknowledge the Executives' initiative to better meet the mandate in providing overall management and direction to the executive branch of the government. One of the Executives' initiatives is to undertake a review of government policies and regulations. The committee agreed that reducing over lap and confusion and removing unnecessary regulatory burdens is necessary to improve the efficiency of the government. Committee Members look forward to seeing further details of this planned review.

The committee appreciated hearing about further efforts to devolve more provincial type responsibilities from the federal government, including resource management and criminal prosecutions. Committee Members look forward to further details on these and other devolution initiatives, as well as details about the devolution framework agreement with aboriginal organizations. Of special interest to committee Members is the need to ensure that any programs evolve to the territorial government are accompanied by adequate funding from the federal government. Other intra-governmental affairs, notably the place of northern issues in the upcoming federal election and issues related to Quebec are also of interest to the committee and the Premier is urged to ensure that all Members are well informed of the progress of these issues.

The committee noted that self-government talks with the Gwich'in and Inuvialuit in the Beaufort/Delta could be a precursory to regional government in the NWT Members felt that is important to establish what GNWT powers would and would not be available to such regional government. Members would like the Premier to clarify this issue by outlining what responsibilities will be available for devolution from the GNWT to possible future regional governments.

Finally, committee Members expressed some concern about the plan to cut 10 percent from the funding to women's organizations. The standing committee understands the need to reduce government spending in this time of fiscal difficulty, but here, as in other areas, the question is one of priority. While the work of the special advisor on women's issues is important, Members consider the work done by the Status of Women Council, the Native Women's Association, and other groups to be even more important to the north and to northerners.

During the review of the draft business plans in October, the committee did suggest another option for this reduction in funding. The committee suggested cutting the grant by five percent instead of 10, and making up the difference by reducing the position of the Special Advisor on Women's Issues to a half time position. However, the Premier chose not to accept this suggestion. Committee Members would still rather not see the work of these important organizations be hindered by a 10 percent funding cut. The standing committee, therefore, offers two further suggestions. One, leave the grant unchanged, cancel the 10 percent cut, and eliminate the position of the special advisor entirely. The Minister responsible for the status of women could then be advised directly by the boards and executive directors of the women's associations. The second suggestion, the special advisor could work with the status of women council, the special advisor could then continue to advise the Premier and Minister about her services, and could assist the council sufficiently to ease the effects of the 10 percent cut in funding. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That concludes this report.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Keeping up with the tradition of this forum, I would like to ask the Premier, before we get into general comments, if he wished to bring in witness or witnesses. Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, please.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Could we have agreement of the committee? Agreed. Proceed. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses. Thank you. Mr. Premier, with a great deal of regret, I am not able to provide you with a better chair than the one you have other there. Sorry about that. Mr. Premier, would you please introduce the witnesses to the committee.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my immediate left is Jeff Gilmour, secretary to Cabinet and to his left is Bruce Cates, assistant director corporate services for Executive. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Premier. General comments from, we are reviewing the Department of Executive, are taking general comments from Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one general comment but with a specific focus and that is the issue of, at the regional level in the South Slave for sure, and I have heard it from other Members as well, is the whole issue of co-ordination of services. Now that the regional directors are no longer with us, that is, as a species they are extinct. I think it was an issue raised by Mr. Evaloarjuk in terms of extinction of species, that is one of them. My concern is, Mr. Chairman and Mr. Premier, is that there is a gap that the organizational structure has not been readjusted to adequately address the whole issue of, oh, I am sorry, Madam Chairman, I am sorry, I was not looking. The organizational structure has not been adjusted to compensate for the departure of the regional directors, and that in a whole different number of areas, from the daily activities to the implementation of broader issues of empowerment and having a one window approach for people in the region to deal with, that it is not there now. There is clearly not a lead superintendent and people are not aware of who to talk to. The departments have, basically, hunkered down to deal with their own internal changes. What was once there and what we have been working on in the South Slave with communities to have a one window approach with

government, to be able to respond in a timely fashion on government wide initiatives, is not there adequately. I sent Mr. Gilmour, a while back, a fairly lengthy message outlining my concerns and I have not had a chance to talk to Mr. Gilmour about his trip, but I know this is an issue that has territorial-wide concern, having listened to other Members as well. That is my comment at this point, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. I also received a copy of Mr. Miltenberger's concerns and the secretary to Cabinet has gone basically into every region now to meet with all the regional superintendents of every department to discuss some other issues as well as those. He will be going back into those regions for follow-up meetings. We do need to make sure that, in the regional level, people have easy access to government and government services and it may mean that in some cases that we do need more regional co-ordination between superintendents. We will have to work with them to organize that. We have saved quite a bit of money by deleting regional managers that we did have in place and we would like to try doing that with the same amount of dollars that we have right now and trying to solve that problem. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Premier Morin. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. My question in regards to general concern would be that there are ways, in my opinion, to restructure the organization with existing resources, such as the appointment of possible lead superintendent. Given the focus on empowerment, it seemed to me that a natural choice for that would be the superintendent of MACA somehow being given the authority to be able to pull other superintendents together to talk about government wide initiatives. If people in the region have a concern that are government wide, it should be made very clear that somebody like the superintendent of MACA would be a logical person to fill that role as you would work out the bugs, because I do not think every region would be the same. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. That is happening now in certain regions. What is also happening is there is a regional committee of the superintendents of every department and they rotate the chair every four months for the lead regional superintendent, MACA does have the lead for community empowerment and they should have the ability to pull other regional superintendents together to discuss that issue. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Further general comments. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to make some comments with regard to the review of government policies and regulations. We discussed and asked previously many questions on the sole sourced and negotiated contracts, and we discussed in various committee meetings the possibility of having the government look at the many policies that seem to be in place regarding letting contracts. Apparently the regional superintendents have to go through different procedures for different purchases, and they are finding that there may be a huge stack of policies and procedures to follow in the event they have to do purchasing and it would seem that this is an area that the government should look at and I am wondering if this review will do that, because it must be extremely frustrating for anybody in the region to spend an inordinate amount of time on what should be straightforward and simple purchasing procedures, but additionally it is important that we get some guidelines and ask the questions, is there one policy for sole-sourced and negotiated contracts, but we got back word that no, there is not one definitive policy. I am wondering if that could be addressed, if the Premier could comment on that. The second item that I would like to have the Premier comment on is with regard to the potential establishment of regional governments in the NWT. There has to be some consideration given to what will this government devolve to - a regional government in the event of that becoming reality. What powers is this government prepared to transmit to those particular regional governments? And what is the status of that? Again, I think it is important for us to know where we are in that whole process with regard to the step of regional governments. Understand that naturally the federal government is party to this, but I think it is important for us to know what is happening. My third and final comment is in regard to the Ottawa office. I would like to know what staff members are there. In relationship to that, last year there were some comments made with regard to a national communications program and I wonder if the Premier could tell us and brief us as to what has transpired with that particular program and who has responsibility for it, if such exists and perhaps some rationalization behind the purpose of it? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Premier Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will just go through all these negotiated and sole source contracts, you had requested that. The Financial Management Board Secretariat has initiated modifications to the production of that quarterly report. For contracts over $5 thousand that have been awarded on a negotiated tender and sole-sourced bases. Copies of the reports for the first, second and third quarters in 96/97 are expected to be completed by the end of February 1997, and government officials have been asked to make sure that all new government contracts including wording, which would notify contractors in advance of the government's intention to make public for each contract, over $5 thousand, the name of the contractor, the value proposed in term on contract and whether the contract was tender/negotiated or sole-source. We do have clear policy on negotiated contracts through Cabinet so there is a policy on how to do a negotiated contract and reducing government regulations and policy. The reduction of the government regulation and policy to create a more favourable business climate is establish of one of the government strategies and preliminary work has commenced with a collection of some of the information and consideration of possible approaches. According to our schedule, the strategy for this work is to begin on April 1st, 1997.

Review of regional governments: At the present time, the number of responsibilities and the programs related to land and resources, have yet to be transferred from the federal government. These are matters the Land Claim negotiations have dealt with in that context. All the core management has been the preferred option in land claim negotiations. There may be room for transfer of some jurisdictions related to land and resources through self-government agreements and it is premature to be define any relation to what responsibilities might be transferred to community governments or regional governments because we are in that process already and we are into that process in good faith with our aboriginal partners in the north as well as the federal government, so it would be premature to comment on that at this time.

As far as the Ottawa office is concerned, we have three staff in the Ottawa office. The communications strategy should be able to take that to the Committee late next week and then to caucus as promised. So that just has to go to Cabinet. It is pretty well done. And I have the responsibility of that. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Premier Morin. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to thank the Premier for the comments and explanations. I would like to ask him to brief us a bit more with regard to my question on transfer of powers to regional government. I understand the Premiers' concern that it may be premature to discuss the details, but I wonder if he could tell us what is happening in that particular end because if I heard him correctly, he stated they are in discussions with the aboriginal groups in the federal government, in this regard, perhaps the Premier could clarify that for me?

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. Aboriginal Affairs plays a key role in issues and negotiations of self-government agreements that are presently undergoing between the federal government and land claims organizations. We also play a role in that, and we will have a seat at that table. As far as what will be transferred over to regional governments, it is, like I said earlier, premature and I do not think that I could really sit here, Mr. Ootes and comment on that because it has not even come before Cabinet as of yet so we still have to consider this at Cabinet, so it would be very premature to comment on that whole issue yet.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Mr. Ootes. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. In the Premier's opening statements he had indicated that the Personnel Secretariat had been integrated into the Department of the Executive, and that cost savings had been realized. Could we get an explanation of the cost savings, please?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. In 96-97 the total net ongoing savings to the GNWT would be $1.9 million. Thank you.