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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I guess if you follow the text of those conditions I guess that is the way it could be viewed by people who are Members of the Treaty 8 Group. However, in the Agenda for Change I take the view that there are certain circumstances that have not existed before I became involved in this Cabinet. I am not saying that as an excuse, but certainly those sorts of conditions should be looked at and as this government. We have taken the view that those sort of discussions are actually

a bilateral type of discussion that should take place between the Treaty 8 First Nations and the federal government.

It is more of a negotiating type of a discussion that I think Treaty 8 are involved in some preliminary discussion now with the federal government leading to some sort of a formal process. I think this kind of area, I would prefer to leave it up to that forum for them to sort it out. There are a lot of grey areas in the Northwest Territories where there is Treaty 8 or Treaty 11, or this government had previously made laws or regulations that are infringing on treaty areas, such as this one here. Those sorts of areas have to be sorted out. The people who are in a position to do it would be the Treaty 8 First Nations when they are discussing some formal negotiations with the federal government. I would prefer not to answer that question in this matter. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can appreciate the Minister's dilemma since the Treaty 8 people are in discussions with the federal government; but I am talking about territorial taxes, which has nothing to do with the federal government. This legislature has adopted this document which says that we shall respect aboriginal rights, treaty rights and aboriginal concerns and views when planning and making decisions, and we want to move forward. I would like to know if he, as the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs, would undertake to bring this matter to Cabinet, so they can look at this and, if proper, to rectify this injustice that has been occurring since 1899, and in the case of the Northwest Territories, since 1890. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Erasmus, do you wish to finish your question?

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Yes thank you, Mr. Chairman. I made a mistake with the date, in the Northwest Territories it was 1900.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In this area of the members of Treaty 8 who are paying income tax, territorial tax, I am told that this matter in previous governments was brought up and discussed. The point is that if Treaty 8 members are requesting to be exempt, then that request has to go to the federal government to deal with. It is a matter that has to be taken up between the Treaty 8 and, perhaps, the federal government and ourselves if that is the direction that members of the Treaty 8 want to take it. I think it is a matter that is a grey area, and there are many in the Northwest Territories that has to be cleared up. Certainly I would have the staff of Aboriginal Affairs take a look at it and have some good information on that, and I could provide that to the honourable Member and, as well as, bring it to the attention of the Cabinet. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Questions for Minister Antoine, Mr. Evaloarjuk.

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister for Transportation also has a responsibility of safety and public services. First, I will explain there were not very many boats; there were a lot more canoes today in the east. There are more heavier boats, and they are hard to bring in land. There are times when they cannot get away from the wind, especially in Pond Inlet and in other communities where there is no shelter from the wind. I had written a letter to the Minister, and I am wondering if he received this letter requesting the Minister to visit Pond Inlet to see if they could get a dock facility so that he can see this is urgently needed. I believe we have to work hard to get dock facilities in communities where they do not have any. If the Minister understands my question, would he be willing to visit Pond Inlet? Thank you. (Translation ends).

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I did receive the honourable Member's letter and the information I received from the department is that they are aware of Pond Inlet and the shore line off the community of Pond Inlet. I am told that the current is pretty strong in that area, and it will take some study to determine what type of harbour facilities could be developed there. Yes, I will take your comment to visit Pond Inlet as an invitation, and I was hoping to hit all the communities in the eastern Arctic in the future. I will take that opportunity to go up there at some point in time. The staff of the Department of Transportation is aware of your letter, and they were planning to take a look at this community to see what the possibilities are for your request. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Questions for Minister Antoine, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We had a number of priorities in the Agenda for Change, and I guess I am relating it back to that as I did earlier with one of the other departments. This department has experienced substantial cutbacks in its capital funding. What that has meant is the loss of many jobs to people in the construction industry. The Northwest Territories Construction Association has reported that upwards of 900 jobs have been lost in that particular industry. So on the one hand we have had a deficit reduction success, but on the other we are creating problems in employment for people. Now in dealing with this, and I certainly understand what we have gone through, we need to move from here. The question I have for the Minister relates in terms of some statements he has made before and comments about joint projects between government and private enterprise. I wonder if the Minister could expand on that because that I see again is where we can create employment through that system. Could the Minister tell us, and I only have one question to start with, is he contemplating this with a list of potential projects?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Department of Transportation in trying to help out in the deficit situation was cut quite a bit, about 25 percent of our total budget was cut. Therefore it reduced a lot of the capital infrastructure that this department was providing. Therefore, in turn, even though we have permanent employees in this department, by the number of contracts we used to issue per year, we are able to generate the spin off of creating employment in the communities and the honourable

Member is correct in that regard. With the cut backs it has had quite a drastic effect on that. Developing our infrastructure in the Northwest Territories by looking at the highway strategy, we have to look at the training and job creation in that regard. The strategy, as I said earlier, is not really complete; we are working on it. We pretty well have to finalize and fine tune it. However, we look at some of the major areas where joint private/public venture could be contemplated. There again this government is looking at how other jurisdictions have done it.

Currently we do not have anything that is really earmarked to go that route. We are still looking at what the possibilities are. I think an attempt by this government to change the way the financial arrangements are handled in this government might open the doors to that type of possibility as well. The areas that I mentioned to the honourable Member for Inuvik, is that the highway system between here and Rae has possibilities, and if we secure partnerships and funding, perhaps we would be looking at the road into the Slave Geologic Province, those are the possibilities as well as the road down the Mackenzie Valley. These are areas where those type of arrangements could be looked at. However, that is still subject to securing funding for those types of projects. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes I think that process and that direction is essential from a recovery point of view here in the territories. I recognize that we just do not have the capital money any more to build infrastructure to the tune it once was. While I support it, I also want to ensure that a process of consultation and participation by decision-makers takes place here? I wonder if I can get commitment from the Minister that he will involve and consult with the Standing Committee on Resource Management once he starts developing to a concrete level the potential joint ventures, or joint venture if it is in one case? Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, the intention is to consult with and engage everybody that is going to be a stakeholder in this. First of all, this will have to be a Cabinet decision paper, and we are working towards putting it before the Cabinet for approval. Afterwards we will share it with the Standing Committee on Resource Management and the stakeholders, the private sectors, different aboriginal First Nations and the different corporations that they control. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Ootes, your third question.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr, Chairman. I appreciate the Minister's intent in that. I just wonder if I could get a bit more clarification in the process. I would request that the Standing Committee on Resource Management be involved prior to Cabinet approving projects so that it can have its input. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. What we are developing at this point in time, it is quite a long way before we start approving projects, Mr. Chairman. We are developing a strategy on how to consult with stakeholders and try to get input and some ideas and direction on what possibilities are out there. Certainly we are far away before we start approving any projects and if we are going to advance that far, it will be after a lot of consultation with the Standing Committee on Resource Management. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Ootes. Questions for Mr. Antoine, Minister of Transportation. Mr. Rabesca and Mr. Picco in that order. Mr. Rabesca.