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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the situation regarding the environment, the area I am discussing right now is, of course, very important because many of our people are still subsistence hunters because of the price of foods, especially in the eastern and western northern parts of our territory. Greenland proposed in an arctic convention for the protection of the environment and conservation of flora and fauna. I understand some Members of this House will be travelling to Greenland next month. I am wondering if the Minister would be going to Greenland and if he does go, will he be discussing the Greenland proposal on the arctic convention for the protection of the environment? If he is not going, will that message be carried by this government? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, no I am not planning to travel to Greenland. The delegation that will travel to Greenland has not been finalized, nor the specific agenda. But the Government of the Northwest Territories delegation will be following in the business they will conduct on our behalf while they are over there.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Question number five, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, one of the concerns that was raised when the amalgamation that was proposed to take place and now has taken place between Renewable Resources and Economic Development was the differential between both the economic side of government to foster a resource development and, on the other hand, to protect the environment. I am wondering how the Minister bounds both those roles and has he had some concerns brought forth from the public on that area, or maybe he could just basically update us on how he has dealt with that type of conflict on the one hand environment and on the other hand economic development? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department has done well in balancing the two in regard to the BHP project. It negotiated a socio-economic agreement. We also have the environmental agreement, which is a landmark in itself. In that first project, I think the public and ourselves are certainly satisfied that we have taken care of both sides of our particular mandate very well.

The Mackenzie River Basin Master Agreement is something that has taken us about 15 years to deal with. We have signed that off, I think all parties, in July. That is a major accomplishment on the environmental side. We have not done anything on a large scale, on the industrial side in recent months. I would suggest that we are concentrating too heavily in that area, but we are working on, for instance, simplifying the rules for acquiring permits for oil and gas exploration. We have suggested that we want to streamline the regulatory regime for businesses in the north. These do not necessarily have an environmental side to balance off with. I would say on the whole, the first major project, BHP, I think as a rule, everybody is satisfied that the government did well, in meeting the mandate of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Very well in that case. That has been the first testing ground of this new department. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Question number six, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the deregulation to support business is important because we need economic growth, but we also need to check and balance that the Department of the Environment and the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development gives us. I hope that the Minister continues to maintain a vigilant outlook on that to make sure that both do not cross. My followup question would be, this past May, five Canadian aboriginal peoples organizations, the Dene Nation, the Council for Yukon First Nations, the Metis Nation of the Northwest Territories, the Inuit Circumpolar Conference, and the Inuit Tapirisat of Canada, formed a committee to address the issue of persistent organic pollutants. I am wondering if the Minister has met with that group?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, no. I have not personally met with this group, but I would be prepared to do that upon request of a meeting. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Questions. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I asked, did the Minister meet with that group that had been formed from the five Canadian aboriginal peoples organizations concerning the persistent organic pollutions programs, or POPPs as the acronym is explained. I am wondering if the Minister, although you have not met with them, is he aware of their formations? Has he asked for any consultation within our department with, for example, the BHP project, the Boston project in the Kitikmeot region, the gold exploration in the Meliadine Lake area. There is a massive amount of work going on throughout the territories. Stakeholders like this group could be very influential and helpful in providing some logistic information on these types of ventures and approaches. I am wondering if the Minister is aware of this group although I know now he has not spoken to them? Has his department been in contact with them about their major concerns, the persistent organic pollutants?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As a Minister I have stated on many occasions to business groups, to aboriginal organizations, to municipal and environmental groups, groups like Greenpeace, World Wildlife Fund. My approach is very open and transparent. If they wish to meet, I am always available. I will make the time during the course of the amalgamation. When we are planning the amalgamation, I met many times with the different groups just to hear the concerns, some of the fears they had, try to address them. All of them, I would like to think, were given a very clear message that any time there was something that they wished to say to me, all they had to do was ask and I would do what I could to make the time available so I could meet and hear what it is they wish to pass on to me. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Final question, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I did not want to get into technical questions, but seeing that the Department of Renewable Resources and Economic Development and also the Minister's portfolio is the environment and those areas were not addressed to-date in any great detail by the other Members, I wanted to bring up some questions on the environment and would like to thank the Minister for his time, and I will give someone else an opportunity to ask some more questions. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Looking at the Members with questions, I see about 14 blanks. That means 14 Members should have the opportunity to ask questions. But other boxes are full. That means Members asked all eight questions. It seems unfair, to a degree. Mr. Evaloarjuk.

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Mr. Chairman, I would like everybody to listen. For people that do not speak Inuktitut, please put your ear piece on. Mr. Chairman, if I make a mistake, please let me know. There are only half of the Members from the Cabinet here. We went through our fourth Minister now, and there are four more to go and this winter we will have the opportunity to ask the Ministers under oral questions. I would like to make a motion that the questioning of the Ministers should be shortened because we have to ask eight questions. I would like to make a motion because we have been asking the Ministers under review for two days

now. I would like to make a motion that we change the questioning period from eight questions to four questions. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk. How many did you want them to be reduced to? From eight to four? (Translation ends) At this point I recognize the motion and therefore I would like the Members to perhaps debate. What do Members feel on the motion? To the motion. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think the honourable Member's comments are worthy of consideration. We have been here a long time, and I think it has been a long two days. Therefore, we should proceed with some changes. I wonder if I can make an amendment to the motion to state that what we should do is have each Minister appear before us for an one-hour period, and every Member gets one question, then it goes around to the next Member and so forth for that one hour period. That way we can conclude this over the next four hours. Then we will have the wrap-up fairly quickly after that.

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The Chair John Ningark

I wish that motion was written. I am informed that Mr. Evaloarjuk's motion will be drafted and Mr. Ootes' amendment will also be written. So we will take a few minute break until the motions are ready. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

I would like to call the committee back to order. (Translation) Mr. Mark Evaloarjuk made a motion. Can you read your motion, please? Mr. Evaloarjuk. (Translation ends)

Committee Motion 1-13(5): To Amend The Mid-term Review Process
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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that this committee recommends that the process for questioning Ministers during the Mid-Term Review be amended to allow each Member a maximum of four questions to each of the remaining Ministers, after questions to Mr. Kakfwi are concluded.