Honourable Mr. Antoine.
Debates of Feb. 14th, 1997
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the honourable Member makes a good case. There are a lot of airports in the north in communities that have been asking for extension of their airports. In some cases, the request is for paving certain airports. In this particular case, going back to Fort Smith overlay runway taxi apron for $2 million, I am told that had Transport Canada retained the Fort Smith airport, they would have paved it in 1996/97 fiscal year. In our case we had deferred it for one year for this year. It was part of the commitment that we are honouring here in regards to the Arctic A transfer, similar to other agreements that we had during the transfer. We are honouring this one as well. This airport here has a jet service, five days a week, F28 jet to Fort Smith, Canadian Regional Airlines. This has a daily jet service five days a week and it requires this type of hard top. This pavement needs an overlay for safety and for protecting the investment that we have. If we let it deteriorate any longer, it will probably will cost more than it is going to cost us at this time to do the overlay. There was a previous year's amount last year. There was some money spent, $450,000, that is for the gravel haul for the pavement that is supposed to be done this year. Thank you.
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I wish that the Minister could be as strong as honouring the commitments that he has made in the east as he does in the west. Mr. Speaker, I am still at a loss to understand the rationale that the Minister and his department are using to justify spending another $2 million on a project that already has been given sufficient funding to pave, cap, whatever, the runway in Fort Smith. Mr. Chairman, would like to make a motion if I may.
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
I would like to move the motion that the $2 million that is projected for the overlay of the runway in Fort Smith be redistributed to other small communities that need special attention, especially regions or communities that have no pavement at all. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. I do not have the motion in writing. Mr. Clerk, do you have the motion in writing. I will recognize Mr. Morin on a point of privilege.
Point of Privilege
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to have the Member for Kivallivik withdraw his comments. Mr. Chairman, he accused a Minister of the government of favouring the western side of the territories over the east in his previous comment. What I heard was the Minister should honour his comments in the east like he does in the west, and I take exception to that comment. We as a government are elected to represent all the Northwest Territories and we do not base our decisions east and west. I would request that the Member withdraw his comments, if he has any right to have the name "honourable" in front of his name or not, he should do that.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Morin. I am going to have to check the transcript to see if you have a point of privilege and I reserve judgement at this time. To the point of privilege, Mr. O'Brien. Mr. O'Brien, are you referring to another point of privilege?
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
The original point of privilege in reference to the comments made by the Premier.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. I have not yet recognized Mr. Morin's point as a point of privilege, but if you are raising a point of privilege, go right ahead and speak to it, and I will rule later whether you have a point of privilege.
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Mr. Chairman, I think the Premier has sunk to an all time low in reference to his comments to me indicating
that I should not have the word honourable in front of my name. This is indicative of some of the garbage that we hear from across the floor. The slanderous comments, derogatory remarks and I, at this point demand an apology from the Premier for these remarks. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Mr. O'Brien, I would have to first rule on the point of privilege of the Premier. I now understand that you are also raising a point of privilege. So that is another point of privilege that I am going to have to check the Hansard to see exactly what was said, to see if in fact Mr. Morin had first point of privilege. In your regards too, I will have to reserve judgement. I understand that we left off where someone had a motion on the floor and I believe it was you. I requested from you whether or not this motion was in writing. Perhaps while we are getting your motion in writing we can take a short break. Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
The point of order, Mr. Chairman. On page ten of our rules, Members are not supposed to make "allegations against another Member, a House officer or witnesses; imputes false or hidden motives to another Member; charges another Member with uttering a deliberate falsehood." That is my point of order that Mr. O'Brien made allegations against a Minister of this government and he imputes false or hidden motives on that Minister. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Regardless of the situation, at this point I am going to need time to review all this information, so I am going to call a 15 minute break.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Before I return to the motion that is on the floor, I would like to state to the Members of the committee that I am trying to keep straight in my mind the exact order of this point of privilege, point of privilege, point of order that was raised and by the different Members, so that I will then be able to advise the committee as to what I will be doing here. First of all, the point of privilege was raised by Mr. Morin, which was countered with a point of privilege by Mr. O'Brien and countered again by a point of order by Mr. Morin. Since these two points of privilege and one point of order were all raised in relation to what was said previous to these points being raised, I will have to review the transcripts and reserve ruling at this point. However, I understand Mr. Morin has a statement to make and I will recognize Mr. Morin at this point.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to withdraw the remark I made about Mr. O'Brien, on whether or not he deserved to have the name "honourable" in front of his name. With that, Mr. Chairman, I withdraw that remark. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Morin. We will now return to the motion that we have on the floor. I now have it in writing and I will ask the Member, Mr. O'Brien, to read his motion.
Committee Motion 13-13(4): Recommendation To Redistribute $2 Million To Gravel Runway Projects In Smaller Communities
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now that everybody is calm, I move that this committee recommend that the $2 million in capital expenditures identified for the overlay runway taxi apron in Fort Smith, under the Department of Transportation, be redistributed to facilitate upgrading and improvement projects to gravel runways in smaller communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 13-13(4): Recommendation To Redistribute $2 Million To Gravel Runway Projects In Smaller Communities
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. The motion is in order. To the motion. I have Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Henry. Mr. Miltenberger.
Committee Motion 13-13(4): Recommendation To Redistribute $2 Million To Gravel Runway Projects In Smaller Communities
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize for being absent. I zipped out to see the doctor. Obviously it was a mistake to leave the House for any length of time as it appears, like jackals, some have turned on a constituency when the Member was not here. I think it is reprehensible. Mr. Chairman, this issue has come up before and the way that some people pull motions out of their back pockets, it is some type of consensus government by ambush, where there is no warning. We sat around this table, we sat around in Ordinary Members' Caucus, we sat around in government operations. We have dealt with this issue. It was off the table. It was agreed that the plan that was there was justified. In the 11th hour, some folks take it upon themselves to slip this motion in, which I think, at the very least, troubles me greatly. The same Members that are asking for support for their ridings on certain issues. Though I will give them credit, at least this time they did not ask that it be put into their own specific ridings. Though I am sure that would be the intent.
Mr. Chairman, obviously I cannot support this motion. I ask all honourable Members who are fair and clear thinking and have worked through this process for the last nine months to support this motion, to defeat this motion. I think it is an affront. It is an attack on the constituency of Thebacha. The people who are making this motion should feel bloody ashamed. Mr. Chairman, this is unconscionable, in this kind of consensus-based government that we talk about, that we purport to have, when the Members who beat their chests the most often about situations, would do something as duplicitous and underhanded as this. It is totally out of the question for me and if that is the way they want it, if they want to lower the standard of conduct of this House to this kind of back alley kind of stuff, well then we are all going to be the worse for it. That is not the way I like to do business.
We sat around tables and talked about this. I am out of this House for half an hour to go see the doctor and, man, the knives came out of the sheaths slicker than things you can imagine. These guys ought to be proud of this. They could duke it out in the back alleys of Iraq. Some popcorn government that they may be thinking we are trying to run here. Mr. Chairman, I am a little agitated about this particular motion. I will be, obviously, voting against it and I will do my best to tell the people of Fort Smith not to paint all the MLAs with the same brush that some of these MLAs are causing their actions to be interpreted as by this conduct that they are taking towards Fort Smith. Mr. Chairman, I will cease my
comments before I say something I will regret, but this is unacceptable.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Could I ask the Members to please attempt not to be so argumentive. Speak towards the motion. Keep within parliamentary language. I recognize Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will not be supporting this motion. I believe the motion is premature. I had asked questions of the Minister. Some of them he had answered, some he had committed to getting back to me. I accept that the Minister would have available to him expertise that could advise him as to the status or requirement of this particular project. I respect that. What I am interested in and my questioning were towards the fiscal responsibility. Does this work have to be done now or could it wait? For those questions the Minister was getting answers to me. That is why I could not support this motion at this time, because I do not have all the answers and I spoke to that clearly in my questioning. That I wanted additional information, not from the perspective of cancelling it, from a fiscal responsibility to ensure that what the Minister's experts were telling him also made sound financial sense in our present economic climate. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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