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The Chair Vince Steen

For the record we are on Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1997-98. Department of Transportation, detail of capital, airports, page 10-12, buildings and works, Fort Smith region. Total region, $2,120,000. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the concern by the committee in relation to the $2 million for Fort Smith, because of the number of concerns and number of constituents that have raised the issue about upgrading their airports or even repairing airports, the question was asked by the committee regarding the $2 million that will be spent to resurface airports, which we see already have a hardtop on them. We were wondering if the department could let us know why is it the money is not being spent to upgrade airports in regards to the safety factor, such as length of airports or lighting? My question to the Minister is, in this particular case, why are we spending money on perfect airports which already have a hard surface, in regards to building 5,000 feet runways versus the communities which do not have a legal size airport? I would like to ask the department why is the direction of the department going to repair existing hardtop airports?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, first of all, all airports in the North are legal size, therefore they are all certified by Transport Canada. Most of them are. I just want to clarify that. Secondly, all paved surfaces deteriorate over time from heavy use. The surfaces then eventually become unsafe for aircraft operations. The life expectancy of a paved airstrip surface is about 20 to 25 years. There was an overlay in Fort Smith in 1984. There are a lot of cracks created in this airport and defects that are very visible in the airstrip pavement in the Fort Smith airport. A routine check, by filling and patching these cracks, can no longer guarantee a safe runway surface. Therefore, a full overlay must be completed for safety reasons. I believe this particular project has been delayed in previous years, the department informed me, and it was determined that the best course of action to take, at this time, is not to have this airport deteriorate any further and to go ahead and do the overlay project. As a result of that, the decision was made to go ahead with this project. I know there is concern that there are quite a few communities that have been requesting their airstrips be lengthened, and we are putting in lights where they are required. As a result, the airports that are functioning in the north, if they are certified, that is because they are of legal size. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the whole safety question, it is in relation to Transport Canada changing the regulations which are going to be coming into effect in the next couple of years. There is a lot of concern by the airline industry relating to the length of airports which, I believe, through that change, will have an enormous effect as far as maintaining the upkeep of those airports. That was the point we were addressing. The question to the Minister when we asked for materials from the resource committee, was the question about usage at airports and also the safety factor. Which ones have been graded as safe? Which ones have been having problems? There are concerns at airports in communities that they want lengthened airstrips so that they can have more aircraft in there, larger aircraft to bring in goods and services, especially to a lot of the isolated communities. I think that was some information we asked for from the department and I do not believe we received that to date.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there was a letter sent to the Chairman of the Standing Committee on Resource Management, Mr. David Krutko, dated January 7. In there, we provided the information in a number of areas that the committee requested the department to provide. So, that information has been sent. We also attached the information with regard to route maps for major, scheduled air carriers, flights and the passenger statistics to all the communities. I think that the information requested by the committee when we did the review of this department, we feel has already been provided. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the question I asked about Transport Canada, I do not believe the Minister answered that portion of it.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in regards to the regulation that was developed by Transport Canada about the length of airports, that has been developed recently. Upon the request of Members of this House and upon the request of communities and the airline industries in the north, we lobbied Transport Canada and the Government of Canada and were able to get an exemption from the regulations. We can continue to use our airports in the north, using the existing air carrier of choice. We have an exemption until the year 2010. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. I am on total region, Fort Smith region, $2,120,000. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the study, the Minister has taken the usage of the Fort Smith airport compared to, say, other airports in Arviat, Baker Lake. What is the number of usage of those airports versus the one in Fort Smith, in regards to traffic?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the specific question that the honourable Member is asking is the difference between Fort Smith and Arviat, I believe. The aviation statistics that we have from 1991 to 1995, aircraft movements in 1995 in Fort Smith is 6,566, whereas in Arviat there were 1,374. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Krutko. Your fifth question.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

In regards to the statistics, how many of those are water bombers coming and going from that airbase?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we have a lot of information, but that is one type of information we do not have right at our fingertips. We will have to get back to the honourable Member on that. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. I have Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question on this particular topic also has to do with the overlay of runway in Fort Smith. We took this program over from Transport Canada. Can the Minister advise us what priority did Transport Canada have on this before the GNWT took it over?. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, when the negotiations were underway, we negotiated the operations and maintenance costs of these airports along with the future capital costs that we foresee happening with the airports. I am sure that all capital was taken into consideration. We tried to get the most from the feds during negotiations. I am sure this was part of the deal, but we need to get more information on this for the honourable Member.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Henry.