Thank you, Mr. Picco. I do not believe the honourable Member had a point of order or not. I will review the Hansard and reserve my ruling until the next sitting day. Thank you. Community programs and services, total operations and maintenance is $142,171,000. Agreed?
Debates of Feb. 21st, 1997
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Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair John Ningark
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Agreed? Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the Minister's information that the treatment centres know what type of treatment is needed. I would like to know what this government is doing to ensure there is long-term treatment or care available in the Northwest Territories, if we are not sending people down south? Thank you.
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, this government has met the needs of individuals, whether it is short-term residential treatment requirements, or whether it is more complicated, requiring longer term care needs. We have been sending individuals down south. If there were enough to sustain a program in the north, cost effectively, then I think we would have moved that way. As it stands now, we feel the numbers are not substantial enough to establish those longer term types of programs in the north. Mr. Chairman, thank you.
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Community programs and services. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If there is not enough clients to warrant a long-term care facility in the north, if we are going to be able to treat people that need that type of care, then we have to send people down south. Is this correct?
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if the honourable Member has any specifics of individuals that are not being provided the care, in any area, then I would be happy to discuss those issues with him. I am not sure where the questions are leading to, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Last year a person was denied long-term care down south. As a result, that person's mother had to pay to send that person down south and to pay for him to be in the facility. His mother had to pay because that person was refused. If we do not provide long-term care here, then how can they make sure treatment is available for everybody? There must be something wrong here. What is wrong? Was the worker wrong in refusing to send the person south? Would that be the case?
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would be glad to speak on the specifics of the concerns he has with the individual. Not knowing the full details of why the individual was denied funding for southern care, for any type of programs, without getting into the details and the background of the individual case. Obviously this is not the forum to do that, Mr. Chairman. I will commit to sitting down with the honourable Member on that specific issue, to find out what did or did not happen in that particular case, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
My point is not that particular case. My point is I want to find out, on the record, whether or not long-term care is available to people. The Minister is not saying whether it is or not. We do not provide it here. If someone requires long-term care, will the department send someone down south and pay for it?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I believe I did say it. If there are needs that are not available in the Northwest Territories for individuals needing treatment, no matter what treatment it is, then we are obligated to provide accessibility to those programs to try to remedy any problems individuals may have.
Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Community programs and services, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance. Final supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would the Minister be kind enough to inform the people that are doing the referrals from the central locations that if someone needs long-term treatment, they can refer them down south? Thank you.
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Mr. Chairman, I believe that services outside the territories that are not provided for in the Northwest Territories are available. If that is a problem, then I will deal with it. Thank you.
Committee Motion 18-13(4): Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total operations and maintenance, $142,171,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Page 6-15, detail of capital, community programs and services, building and works, headquarters, total region, $831,000.