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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Welcome to the committee. I now open the floor to general comments from the Members on the department's main estimates. I have Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to be able to make comments on education as well as culture and employment programs. I have a few comments to make. I am also pleased we are dealing with languages of the Inuit and Indian languages, aboriginal languages under the official languages, recognition of official languages for French and English. We can all work together, even though we all have different languages to deal with. This is the responsibility of the Minister under the culture and heritage programs, it is to

protect the heritage, as well as the languages of our people. People who are unilingual in Nunavut probably believe there is only one language to deal with in their area.

When we went to the communities, the people represented by Evaloarjuk, Barnabas, and my other colleagues who also have to deal with unilingual languages in Inuktitut, do not wish to lose the use of their language. We value our language, also we from Natilikmiot, value our language even though we understand each other. Mr. Chairman, we understand each other quite well, but the people who are mostly staying in smaller communities, do not move around to other communities and do not understand other dialects as much. We can appreciate the fact there are other dialects and we can understand the other dialects perfectly.

I would like other people to know about this as well. We do not wish to lose our unique dialect in Natilikmiot. Even in the region of Kitikmeot, we also have different dialects to deal with. Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven, and Taloyoak are called Natilikmiot regions, they are a small knit group. For instance, Pelly Bay and Gjoa Haven are only 120 miles apart. Taloyoak and Gjoa Haven are 90 miles apart. There is still a slight difference in dialects. I understand the dialect of Natilikmiot and I can speak the dialect, but I am not speaking the dialect at this time. If I spoke their dialect, it would be slightly different from what I am saying right now. I grew up in Repulse Bay. As well as the Amittuq area, they have a slight difference in Aivilik dialect too. I am not trying to combat any other regions in Nunavut. I am just trying to show there is a difference in those communities, what we are dealing with right now. We do not wish to lose our own dialect and we would like to have their dialect taught in Inuinnaqtun dialect.

No wonder in the Baffin region they also want to have their particular dialect to be taught to their next generation. I would like people to know about that and also my colleagues in the Legislative Assembly. My friends' languages are all different, even though people might think we have the same language. There are slight differences in each one of the regions. We would like to preserve the differentiation and the difference in our language for our future generations. Maybe some day in the future it might become similar. Even the clothing is quite different. In Baffin, Keewatin, and Kitikmeot they all have different clothing styles. They also appreciate their own particular style of clothing. For that reason I would like other people to know about that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Are there any further general comments? Committee agreed. We will proceed to the detail of the estimates. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to see a Minister is placing more money into early intervention. We all know if you get children at an early age, they will be much more successful later in life as far as their educational success and there is less likelihood of being on social assistance and all the rest of that. I am glad to see that. I am also glad to see they are proceeding with the grade extensions which are putting grade 12 into most of the communities. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be the same concern or emphasis being put on adult education. I see from the Aurora College's 1995 corporate plan a blueprint for the future. About 33 percent of aboriginal people have less than grade nine, Mr. Chairman. At the same time, I look at the next line and see there is only about 3.5 percent of non-aboriginal people who have grade nine or less. Mr. Chairman, I do not know why this department is not pouring millions of dollars into adult education. I see there is going to be a report on adult basic education which will identify the continuing need for this service. I do not think we need a report or study to tell us we need a continuing need, when there is one out of every three adult aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories who have grade nine or less. What more do you need to tell you we need to continue basic adult education? I do not think we should be looking at sustaining this service. We need to be increasing it, Mr. Chairman, increasing it. This can only be done by a huge influx of money. Sometimes I wonder how it would be to have those 33 percent of non-aboriginal people who have grade nine or less. Would there be a different emphasis on basic adult education? I see we are also concerned about the results of the National School Achievement Indicators Program. I do not know why we are actually in this program, Mr. Chairman.

We do not know where the problem is. We know there is a problem. We do not know where it is because there is no indication of where the tests come from. For all we know everybody that passed those tests came from Yellowknife. We do not know, for instance, how the kids in Hay River did, Fort Smith, Detah, or from anywhere because there is no indication from where the students come from. I really do not know why we bother participating. There must be some way we can participate in this program and find out where our problem is. There has got to be a way. It is not that hard. Maybe they should just photocopy the exams, the teachers there correct them as well. Then you can know where the problem is. I do not think this is that hard to do, but for some reason we have not done that yet. I certainly hope this is going to be addressed.

Mr. Chairman, I see we have a commitment to continue the senior's fuel subsidy. I am glad to see it. However, it looks as though the Minister feels the people who rent their homes do not deserve to benefit from this fuel subsidy. I suppose people who rent their own homes make much more money than people who own their own homes, so they do not need any assistance. This is one of the problems the Social Programs Committee had identified. We had hoped any new program would try to address that. It looks like the new program is going to perpetuate the inconsistencies of people who own their home and people who do not own their own home. We have the assurance that seniors who need assistance to heat their homes will receive it. I guess the people who rent their own homes will have to go to income support and people who own their homes will not have to.

In the area of student financial assistance, I think it is time we started focusing on what results we are getting. By that I mean, if we are supplying loans and grants which can be remised by coming here, then we need to know how many people are actually staying here once their loans are forgiven. We do not only need to know how many people are coming back here once they finish school, because they might only stay here for only two or three years until their loans are forgiven and then they are gone. We need to know how many people actually remain here afterwards. I understand this will be addressed. I am looking forward to seeing the plan, seeing the actual results of how many people actually stay here of the people who receive assistance from us. Mr. Chairman, those are my opening remarks. I will be asking questions in several areas later. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. General comments from Members. Are there any further general comments? If there are no further general comments, does committee agree to proceed with detail of the estimates?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. We will now proceed to page 9-16, director and administration, operations and maintenance. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

I am sorry, I did not hear you, Mr. Chairman. I was wondering how many people are within the headquarters administration who qualify under the Affirmative Action Policy?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Honourable Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not have the breakdown. Headquarters will have to provide that information to the committee.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Has the department hired any people that were laid off from the Personnel Secretariat?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Honourable Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have currently one person on transfer assignment from that department.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Honourable Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister explain what transfer assignment means or what this particular transfer assignment is?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The common name for that is on secondment. She has been seconded to our department for probably two years.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

To do what?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To help the department organize their human resources functions. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Operations and maintenance. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What types of things need to be organized?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Dent.