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Further Return To Question 398-13(4): Plan 2000
Question 398-13(4): Plan 2000
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Speaker. I would first say these are two different issues. One is an overall and longer term problem we need to deal with and that is our runaway birth rate and the social problems and conditions that come with that. It is something the social envelope ministries are working on and something the Members have spoken on. We do need to deal with that. While we are dealing with the longer term problem, we have an immediate and urgent crisis we need to deal with, the need for more housing. All Members who have ideas on how we should deal with it should be bringing those forward.

Further Return To Question 398-13(4): Plan 2000
Question 398-13(4): Plan 2000
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This set of questions is also for the Minister of Housing. In response to Mr. Henry's statement, the Minister indicated Mr. Henry may not be aware of the critical housing shortage in the smaller and remoter communities. Those were his exact words. In the response just now he used the words crisis situation. I would just like to ask the Minister where he thinks these circumstances exist in the Northwest Territories at this time?

Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo.

Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, this situation is in most of the communities in the NWT. We do have exact numbers but I do not have them available with me. Those numbers will be confirmed again, probably increased when we release the new survey that has been ongoing for the last little while. There are a few pockets of exception. Parts of Yellowknife and Hay River and some of Fort Smith do have some surplus houses in certain areas of the market. There is a severe shortage for housing for people with very low incomes.

Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for that response, Minister Arlooktoo. I am curious about your needs survey. We keep hearing this referred to that it is going to be released shortly. We are going to see what the needs are. I am just wondering what is the process whereby you determine those needs. When you go into a community, how do you calculate what the need is in that community? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation through workers, contractors, or through the local housing organizations, go door to door and actually interview tenants to see what their need is. We also go through the existing waiting list that we have and the condition ratings that we also have in our inventory.

Further Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly how I thought the needs survey was conducted. In going door to door with staff and people from the Housing Corporation or somebody contracted with this need survey, how many homes do you think you would come up to that would say no, I do not want more houses, I do not need a better home, in the smaller communities? How many people are going to say no I do not. It just seems like an unusual way of determining the real need. I think, given the opportunity, most people would say yes. Which brings me to my next point and that is when we talk about the income thresholds for this Plan 2000, we talk about a range of $50 thousand to $90 thousand annual income. Given the diversity of the communities in the Northwest Territories, it is a very relative indicator. I guess my point is and the question I would like to ask the Minister is, if we had to postpone implementation of phase three of the rent scale because those middle income earners could not afford to pay rent to housing, how are those same people going to go to the bank and get a mortgage and take on all the operating costs of managing a home, not to mention the mortgage payment? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I think there were two questions there. First on the needs survey. During the earlier needs survey in 1991, there was criticism the Housing Corporation had based its survey on an ideal home environment. One room for every child, a proper living room, etc. We were very careful this time to make sure we dealt only with the urgent housing need when we did the survey, the real need for houses in the communities. That is different from trying to tabulate what you would need in an ideal situation.

This is about urgent real needs. On the other question about the $50 thousand to $90 thousand income threshold, I would point out that number is an estimate. It is different from community to community depending on the cost index for things like fuel, power, food and it is adjusted accordingly. There is no intent or plan to delay or defer this initiative so I will not add anything else to that.

Further Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. We will break until 1:30 p.m..

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Further Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

I would like to call the House back to order. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary to the Minister of Housing revolves around this idea in theory that is put forward in Plan 2000, that people living in public housing units are middle income earners, are going to move out thus vacating public housing units which we assume lower income families are going to move into and take up that vacancy. So my question is, are the people who qualify under the down payment assistance program, is it part of the criteria or a mandatory requirement that they are presently living in public housing units? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, no, it is not a requirement, although we know the individuals residing in our public housing units who have an income level where they can afford their own homes are the individuals we will be targeting to some degree, but we have also opened this up to individuals who are in other rental units.

Further Return To Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Question 399-13(4): Critical Housing Shortage
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 400-13(4): Communications Strategy
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier. My question is in regards to the long-awaited communications strategy or plan he indicated was being worked on back on February 3. I was wondering if the Premier could update me and this House as to when that will be brought forward. Thank you.

Question 400-13(4): Communications Strategy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have taken the opportunity to send that to the committee and the Members of that committee to review it. We are waiting to hear back from the committee. We expect to meet with them one day next week to get their input. Then it will go back to Cabinet for final drafting. Thank you.

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Question 400-13(4): Communications Strategy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.

Supplementary To Question 400-13(4): Communications Strategy
Question 400-13(4): Communications Strategy
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister clarify when he says "members of the committee". Is that one of the standing committees you have sent it to?

Supplementary To Question 400-13(4): Communications Strategy
Question 400-13(4): Communications Strategy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin.