Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is it fair to say that there is a cost benefit analysis done on each community prior to a transfer taking place?
Debates of March 1st, 1997
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. O'Brien.
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if a cost benefit analysis was done on a certain community and it was found that it was not cost effective, would the transfer take place? My concern here is that once a community would take on a responsibility and then to find out down the road that it is really more than what they bargained for, it is more costly and they really got a pig in a poke where they find themselves in a tight financial situation where it is very difficult for them to run or operate that function or that department. My question is, if the cost shows that it is not feasible or it is more expensive, would it still be transferred?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The bottom line is that we would like the communities to succeed and the staff would be working with the community at all times and monitoring the community when the transfers are taking place and there is an open communication with the community when the transfers are taking place and also before the transfers take place. We would be there to help the community because we want them to succeed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. O'Brien.
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
One final question. I am not quite sure if I have made myself clear or if the question was answered. My question was, if the cost benefit analysis indicated that it was not feasible and it was going to cost more to offer the program or transfer the program to a community, would the program still be transferred or would there be a delay or would it not be transferred?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. I will allow the honourable Minister to respond to the honourable Member for Kivallivik and then we will take a break from there. Thank you.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before the transfers take place, if the community is worried about the transfer, we would not proceed with the transfer. It depends on the community. If the cost analysis is worrying the community or the department, then the transfer would not go through. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. With that we will take a 15 minute leave. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
I would like to call the committee back to order. Community development. We have Mr. Ootes, Mr. Steen, and Mr. Picco. Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wonder if the Minister could tell us about the agreements that are made with the communities. Are there already agreements made and in what form do those agreements take place? Are they legal
documents? Is there just a verbal understanding? What process has been followed in this? Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. We have one initial question and four supplementary in the committee of the whole. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. These are legal documents that are brought to the FMB. They are not just oral documents, they are legal documents. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If a legal document is in place to take care of, for example, airport transfers or other transfers, would the Minister then say that all issues have been resolved before these agreements have been finalized?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All the issues are resolved before the transfers take place. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you. Which party is responsible for environmental obligations or offenses if a service has been transferred to the community?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Deputy minister, Mrs. Ballantyne.
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Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the issue of environmental liabilities is one that is currently under review. In transfers that are currently under discussion, for example, the airport transfers in the Keewatin, this is an area that has been identified for further review and resolution prior to the transfers being completed. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Ootes.