This is page numbers 229 - 249 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was federal.

Member's Statement 55-13(5): Passing Of Albert Lafferty
Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 238

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 238

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize some long-term northerners in the gallery with us today, Melody McLeod, Mary Broussard and Ben Macdonald. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 238

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 238

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I would like to recognize Pat Thomas with the NWTTA. Welcome again Pat.

--Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 238

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco.

Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

January 20th, 1998

Page 238

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement I brought up some education concerns. I have received many letters, phone calls, E-mails over the past few months on this matter and I have spoken about them in this House before. Mr. Speaker, I know the Minister is working diligently to try to address some of these issues - and I am not criticizing the Minister here - I am trying to give some constructive criticism and to articulate some of the concerns I have heard. Mr. Speaker, my question for the Minister is concerning the Department of Education. The department had allocated $350,000 which comes out to be $26.18 per student for textbooks, materials and in-servicing for the new math program. However, at the end of the day when you add up those students and the amount of money given, it comes out to $22 per text which is $4.18 for the other areas. Mr. Speaker, there is also instances where the teachers do not have a curriculum. In one case a teacher has been teaching

for a long time without a curriculum or textbooks, where we have teachers buying the materials themselves out of their own pocket. This is not acceptable. So, I am wondering what the Minister is going to do to address these most serious concerns. Thank you.

Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 238

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 238

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the introduction of a new curriculum is a partnership between the department and the divisional education councils.

The department certainly does not pretend that it contributes 100 percent of the cost of instituting the new curriculum. We assist the education councils in that. One of the reasons for introducing a new curriculum is that it helps the education councils and partners to deliver a better program at the school level. I would concur with the Member that there have been some problems with the in-servicing this year. The department is planning to recognize that fact, in particular, with the introduction of new curricula by delaying the start for some and ensuring that when it does come to the in-service programs that they are better supported. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 238

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 238

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not know why this happened over the past few years in the Department of Education when it comes to curriculum or text books and I do not pretend to know. Mr. Speaker, I have seen letters that have gone to the Minister and to the department. I have been copied on some of them. In one case, Mr. Speaker, I have a teacher who has been teaching for a long time without a curriculum, without a textbook, has not the resources in place. Although we have the protocol with the western provinces, with the divisional board of education, they do not have the adequate funding to put the resources in place. That is not acceptable, Mr. Speaker, in 1998, to have teachers in the classroom having to go out and buy sets of textbooks. So, I would ask the Minister what he is going to do about this. I know that he agreed that there is problem with in-servicing. There has been problems with the math curriculum, but, my God, Mr. Speaker, it cannot be possible to be in the classroom without a textbook, without the proper resources available. That is my question. What is he going to do about it?

Supplementary To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 238

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Okay again, just to remind the Members about the language that you are using in this Chamber. You heard, my God. Some people might take offence to it. It is unparliamentary, but I would like to remind the Members that people might take offence to using it in that context. Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 238

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot speak about an individual classroom situation where the teacher might not have the resources that they feel are necessary to do the job. What I think is important, as I mentioned in my first response to the honourable Member, is that the introduction of a new curriculum is a partnership. It is between the department and the divisional education council. The divisional education council is expected to ensure that the resources that are necessary are provided. As we have discussed many times in this House, the department does not stipulate to the divisional education councils how they spend their money. The money is allocated by way of formula. It is then up to the divisional

education councils to determine where it is appropriate to provide the support, whether that is in the teacher/pupil ratio, whether that is in providing extra support to special needs students or whether that is in providing curricula support to a teacher. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I apologize for my earlier remark. Mr. Speaker, it is very frustrating as a Member to attend a meeting, to have teachers or any other individuals working for this government to come to me with legitimate complaints and the minute it involves schooling or education, we keep saying that that is the most important priority that we have to make sure that our people are educated. If they do not have the resources in place, if they do not have curriculum that seems to be place, if you do not have the textbooks; how can they do their job? If you are asking people to do more with less, you are going to get less done. Mr. Speaker, my followup question is, the Minister talked about the partnership, if the partnership has not made available the monies to have the resources or the ratio, maybe we should review this formula. Will the Minister look at reviewing the formula that is in place that gives the resources or the monetary amounts to the individual boards of education? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the formula is reviewed on an annual basis with the directors, the superintendents of all the councils.

Further Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know that the teachers' association, individual teachers, the college, parents have written to the department about these concerns. Mr. Speaker, I am not getting a level of comfort that something should be done and can be done. So I wonder if the Minister would look at these individual cases. I know that I have written him on two of them. I wonder if we can get a response back into this House on the issue of class sizes and also on the issue of the resources available, so that the curriculum can be in place because this is not acceptable. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Two questions. Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure how I can respond to the question. I think that the first question that the Member asked has been answered previously. In terms of his second question, I can tell you right now that the pupil/teacher ratio across the Northwest Territories averages 18.2 pupils to one teacher. That is an average across the territories. I am prepared, as the Member knows, to answer all letters that come to my office on a timely basis and answer the questions that I can in this House. If he would care to provide me a bit more detail just exactly what he wants, perhaps in the form of written questions, I would be more than happy to provide that information in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Question 49-13(5): Shortage Of Education Funding
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq.

Question 50-13(5): Pangnirtung Airport Runway Relocation
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been a very long time since residents of Pangnirtung have been asking to have their airport runway to be relocated because of the safety concerns. Towards the end of November of 1997 the Minister, the territorial Minister of Transportation, had an opportunity to visit Pangnirtung along with federal officials and which I did not have the opportunity to attend. Can the Minister of Transportation update me with what is going on with the planning of relocating the runway in Pangnirtung. Thank you.

Question 50-13(5): Pangnirtung Airport Runway Relocation
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 50-13(5): Pangnirtung Airport Runway Relocation
Question 50-13(5): Pangnirtung Airport Runway Relocation
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we did visit Pangnirtung in November and we were able to travel with a couple of Transport Canada officials from Winnipeg just to look at the situation in a number of communities along with Pangnirtung. Looking at the situation there, they have decided, yes, it is worth looking into the Pangnirtung airport. However, at this point in time there is no real solid commitment in terms of financial resources. This is what the stumbling block here is, in this case. We do not have the money to do the type of work that needs to be done in Pangnirtung to relocate their airport. That is quite a large sum of money we are talking about. However, as a result of the trip with the federal officials, there is ongoing talks between my department and their officials to see what the possibilities are there to look at the airport relocation in Pangnirtung and that is all I can report at this point in time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 50-13(5): Pangnirtung Airport Runway Relocation
Question 50-13(5): Pangnirtung Airport Runway Relocation
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 239

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq.