This is page numbers 441 - 469 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was program.

Reply 9-13(5): Mr. Erasmus' Reply
Item 10: Replies To Budget Address

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Ed. Thank you, Michael. The Aurora Fund was instituted last year and is already lending money to several businesses in the north. This new Northwest Territories Investment and Tax Credit Program will, I think, lay the ground work for many more investments in small businesses and it also opens the area for the common people. I should not say common people, but the working people so they can invest in northern businesses and get tax credits as well as RRSP credits at the same time.

Mr. Speaker, the Northern Employment Strategy, last year, through that there were several thousand full-time working weeks, 48,000 to be exact or the equivalent of 1,200 full-time jobs in the Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development area as well as 863 students. Mr. Speaker, I believe we have to continue this program. This was supposed to be a two-year thing, but we cannot end after this year. This is a very needed program, particularly for the students who often do not have any other means of supporting themselves when they go to school. Meaning they have no parents back home that can send them money whenever they run into problems. They have to rely on the student allowances that they receive as well as whatever money they earn during the summer. So this is a very worthwhile program.

In the resource development area, we have heard a lot of comments and speeches in the last while on how this government as well as the federal government have to work together in order to help us implement a secondary diamond industry in the north. I will not go into that, but I will just indicate that we do want to establish a diamond valuation facility as well as other value-added industry in the north here.

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This government should do whatever it can to facilitate this. The devolution of the mineral, oil and gas responsibilities and royalties from Canada is something that is long overdue. Mr. Speaker, I believe this is one way we can become self sufficient and at the same time help all northern people, including aboriginal people to take their rightful place in this economy. I would urge Cabinet to begin discussions with the aboriginal governments again to ensure the northern accord will become a reality.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, further along in the resource development area, of course, is the falling gold prices which has caused layoffs and even mine closures. Mr. Speaker, again this government and the federal government can do things to help the mines remain open, as well as to help the miners who have run into hard times. I believe it has been said quite a few times this has been done in other areas and I would urge both governments again to do whatever they can to assist in this area.

In the area of the P3, which has also had a lot of air time in here as well as on the radio and in the paper and what not. The Public/Private Partnerships Programs, it has to be recognized that this is not a new idea. It was used in many countries to generate revenue and partnerships. I applaud the Minister for coming up with the policy to implement in time for this year. Many of us have been supporting him in this endeavour. One thing, Mr. Speaker, I wanted to urge was that there has to be transparency in the delivery of this program, accountability and, Mr. Speaker, all partners have to share the risk. The territorial government cannot carry the risk alone. The last issue that I wanted to bring up on this particular area is, Ordinary MLAs have to be involved in selecting the projects as well.

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Mr. Speaker, I wholeheartedly agree that this government should determine that each and every citizen north of 60 will have the same standard of living and quality of life enjoyed by other Canadians. I am glad to see there is going to be an additional $40 to $50 million over the next two years to meet immediate demands to homeownership assistance and I certainly hope this helps to cross the bridge so that we do not see homeless people wandering the streets looking for a place to eat and looking for a place to sleep at night. The Minister responsible for Housing was kind enough to indicate the other day when I was questioning him he would work with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to try and find a solution to this problem. I look forward to some meetings in the near future with them on this particular issue.

The social program area, Mr. Speaker, we know that we have many problems with our birth rates and forced growth because of the birth rates. We have to do what we can to work in this area. One of the things, of course, that is being done is the National Child Benefit Program by the federal government which is meant to improve the life styles and the way children are raised in this country. I like the way the Northwest Territories Child Benefit Program is being provided and that it encourages people to work while they are receiving this benefit. The way it was explained to us, it encourages people to work because your income is not influenced that greatly until you reach a certain level. Mr. Speaker, those are the areas the Finance Minister had touched on in his speech.

In conclusion, I have to make some comments, of course. No speech of mine would be complete without talking about education and community empowerment. We have heard from many MLAs, as well as the committees indicating, in order to properly implement community empowerment, community people need training. I think the problems that are being experienced today in the different regions are exemplifying the situation. We need training for community people. I am not talking about a two or three day workshop. Mr. Speaker, that is not training. It is just a start to peak people's interest, perhaps, just to keep things operating at a piecemeal rate. What we need are full-fledged training programs.

Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that we develop, along with the college, a community development program. A one-year, perhaps a two-year community development program people can go to school for a full year and go back into the communities. This would help people in the communities from getting burnt out. We have very well meaning people in the communities and some of them work hard. They may or may not be educated; but in every community, Mr. Speaker, there are only a few people who seem to be doing all of the work. What we need is more trained and educated people to help these people and to implement the devolution of power to the communities. What I am suggesting, again, Mr. Speaker, is that we should develop a community development program along with the colleges and that this could be a one-year program. I would suggest that it could be the first year of a two-year program. Actually, the first year could be alone and the second year, you could specialize in a law program or an alcohol and drug program or a social work program, but the community development program should be a requirement so that people know how to deal with various social problems and address that in the communities.

Mr. Speaker, the other area I wanted to touch on was the upgrading and the university/college entrance programs. This government has supported upgrading programs for many years. The problem is, in order to go to upgrading, people need some type of program in order to live. They need an allowance of some sort. When we send students to university or college, we give them an allowance, but the people taking upgrading who have very similar costs and who may have the same or more children, do not get a similar allowance. This should be rectified. Similarly, the university and college entrance program is a piecemeal affair. We receive funding from the federal government for allowances, but I do not think that this government fully supports it by also making sure there are instructors and courses being offered in the communities where there are students who wish to take the university and college entrance programs. For instance, I know several students who had to go to Edmonton in order to take the university/college entrance program. Mr. Speaker, that is just a waste of dollars. Why should people have to fly down south, leave their family in order to take upgrading to get into university? We should be offering that here, especially in the larger centres like Yellowknife, Rankin Inlet, Fort Smith. I would urge this government to please look into this.

With that, Mr. Speaker, in conclusion, I would like to say while I am glad we have produced a budget that is a balanced budget and, indeed, will save us a few dollars, we still have some work to do. I think we are all here to try and do that. So let us roll up our sleeves and try not to be too sarcastic and divisive. Let us be constructive and get the work done. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Just to remind the Members regarding conduct in this House. Members are not allowed to mention Members by their first name. It is in the rules and Rule 12(7) says Members shall refer to each other by surnames or as the honourable Member for and name the constituency or as the honourable Member so and so. Please follow the rules or review the rules if you are unclear on those. Replies to budget address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Motion 12-13(5), Mr. Todd.

Motion 12-13(5): Approval Of Formula Financing Agreement
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS the Formula Finance Agreement, made on November 28, 1997 between the Government of Canada, represented by the Minister of Finance for Canada, and the Government of the Northwest Territories, represented by the Minister of Finance for the Northwest Territories, has been laid before the Legislative Assembly pursuant to subsection 4(2) of the Financial Agreement Act;

NOW THEREFORE, I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, that the Legislative Assembly hereby approves Tabled Document 18-13(5) titled Formula Financing Agreement.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to say a few words in regard to the Formula Financing Agreement. It has taken a number of years to get this approved and it is already into effect for three years. I would address the whole question of the timing of this particular document and I would certainly like to see that we address the next Formula Financing Agreement before it is put into place and allow some consultation. For example, I would certainly like to see us address the whole question of the imbalance that is taking place in our forced growth area which, in essence, does not give us the kind of money that we need for our social programs and in a way is taking away from other departments. The major concern being that this is a hefty document. It requires everyone's time to go through it and to ensure we digest it properly and have input into it properly. I would like to perhaps pose a question of why it has taken so much time to get this brought forward? Perhaps the Minister could speak on that? Those are my comments, Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters. Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99; Committee Report 2-13(5); Committee Report 3-13(5); Committee Report 4-13(5); Committee Report 5-13(5); Tabled Document 15-13(5) and Tabled Document 19-13(5). With Mrs. Groenewegen in the Chair.

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

I would like to call committee of the whole to order. We have a number of items before us on the agenda. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chairperson, that we proceed with Tabled Document 15-13(5) followed by Bill 8, Appropriation Act, and Committee Report 02-13(5) and 03-13(5), and that we continue once we are on Bill 8 with the Financial Management Board.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Is the committee agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

When we recessed yesterday, we were on page 2-25 of your main estimates book. Financial Management Board Secretariat, program summary. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Sorry, Madam Chairperson. Just for clarification what was that page number?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

That was page 2-25 in your main estimates book. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Madam Chairperson, would it be appropriate to ask the Minister to sit in the chair over there?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Is the committee agreed that the Minister would be requested to take the witness table?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Mr. Minister please. Would the committee agree with Mr. Todd bringing his witnesses to assist him?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Mr. Todd would you like to bring witnesses?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

I do not think there is a requirement Madam Chairperson because we were on the last item which was 2-25, which was the final approval or not approval of the budget.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. The Minister does not wish to bring witnesses. Program summary. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I have a question for the Minister. I pose it at this time as I am not sure where I would pose it. Could the Minister indicate in the program summaries whether it would be appropriate to address questions in regard to the overall policies of this government? I understand the Minister takes responsibility for this budget and therefore he could identify in here where I may question Cabinet on the policies.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen. I am not sure if Mr. Todd is the appropriate person to question or not. In your remarks you say that you want to ask questions on overall government policy. I believe Mr. Todd is responsible for overall fiscal policy. I am not sure, not knowing what your questions are whether they are appropriately directed to Mr. Todd or not. Mr. Steen.