Thank you. Community operations. Special warrants, $310,000. Agreed? Mr. Krutko.
Debates of Nov. 9th, 1998
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The Chair John Ningark
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can we delete this matter until we have the information available to us so that we can make a decision with all the information available, knowing who tendered, how many people tendered and exactly why there was such a large cost overrun?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Mr. Chairman. To be frank with you, this money has been expended. It is a special warrant which we have the authority to do. It is because the project was done in one year versus two and I would like to proceed with the budget as agreed to. I have gone through this with committee, my honourable colleague, the Minister has agreed to provide Mr. Krutko, who seems to have a problem with the details of who bid, and I see no reason at this point, no valid reason and no argument for holding off.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Much of the money has been spent, so Community operations. Special warrants, $310,000. Agreed? Mr. Krutko?
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a clarification on my concerns with the particular project. The Minister stated that it is because of the tendering. It is not a question about the tendering, it is a question about, in my riding I could not have a tender approved because it was over by $3,500 and in this case we are talking about $300,000 in which the tenders have been in way over budget, yet for a couple thousand dollars, versus tens of thousands dollars, there is a difference. The Minister keeps referring to the deficit situation we are in, we are trying to save money and everything else, and yet in this case, some projects do not go and other projects are coming in over budget. There has to be a balancing act here. Exactly who is enforcing the regulations of this government, ensuring that these overruns do not continue. In this case there was that cost overrun.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I will repeat again. This is not some isolated case that capital projects came over budget. There are a whole bunch of them. I remember Mr. Dent talking on a number of occasions about some schools. That is just the reality of the world we live in right now. I see no point, no reason at this point, Mr. Chairman, to delay approval of this $300,000. None.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Community operations, $310,000. Agreed? I do not know if we are going to be able to undo the past mistakes here in this discussion. Mr. Krutko, your time is still on. Okay now, Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have heard all the Minister's responses to the Member's questions, and I have heard the Member's point. I do not know how, as a Member of this committee, whether or not there is a point in discussing the issue any further. The Minister pointed out this is a special warrant and the money is spent. We cannot retract that, so I suggest, Mr. Chairman, we move on here.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. I will not recognize any Members that have spoken until we move onto the next page. Community operations. Special warrants, $310,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total department. Special warrants, $310,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Page 9, Health and Social Services, capital, community health programs. Special warrants, $121,000. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
I was waving my hand, Mr. Chairman. I did not agree with moving on with that $310,000. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move a motion that the amount of $310,000 be deleted from Supplementary Appropriation No. 3, 1998/1999, under the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, under capital in the activities of Municipal and Community Affairs.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. First you have to get consent from your colleagues to go back to that page 8, Municipal and Community Affairs, capital because I have called page 9, Health and Social Services, capital before you made the motion. You have to go back to the item that we discussed earlier. Mr. Krutko.
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The Chair John Ningark
The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to go back to page 8. Agreed? Is somebody saying nay? Yes, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Just a point of order, Mr. Chairman. You did state that you were going to come back to me after you allowed the other Members to speak, in which you asked for the other Members having questions. You did not allow me to come back and rebut my question. Could we get a legal opinion here?
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The Chair John Ningark
I have indicated, but Mr. Steen has indicated that he wants to move on. From there on, I indicated that I would only recognize Members who have not spoken to this particular item. The honourable Member is seeking consent from his colleagues to go back to page 8, Municipal and Community Affairs, capital. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
I hear one yea and two nays. Nays have it. Page 9, Health and Social Services, capital, could we have order here please? Page 9, Health and Social Services, capital, community health programs. Special warrants, $121,000. Agreed?
Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not have a question with respect to the $121,000, but I have with respect to warrants. What is the process used to approve a warrant and that relates to Mr. Krutko's concern? Are we here to simply say yes, okay because it is a special warrant? I do not understand what a special warrant is and what is not previously authorized? What are the terms and conditions under which special warrants are allowed?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.