This is page numbers 959 - 988 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Yes, Mr. Chairman. What Mr. Murray said in his last sentence was that what you have here are only what the Legislative Assembly votes in and decides to contribute to the Housing Corporation. What you do not have here is the extra funding from several different sources, including the major repair money from the federal government. There is revenue from other sources listed later on, I believe. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Included in this amount, for example, in the Inuvik region you have $5.592 million, as monies for the EDAP, the Extended Down Payment Assistance Plan, the Home Improvement Program, and, I believe there is some emergency repair funding? Can you give us the information as to what it is broken down into? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the $5.592 million allocated to the contributions for the Inuvik region, you have $47,000 for the senior citizens' home repair, $35,000 for the Emergency Repair Program, $1.4 million for the Independent Housing Program and the Housing Corporations' contribution to the EDAP portion, which is the lever, the bank financing, we have $3.672 million. In addition, there is a total of $416,000 for various small equipment, modernization and improvement money and some retrofit. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is the independent housing for the seniors and disabled?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Independent Housing Program is intended for those people who can afford the operating costs on a home, but they are below the income to get a mortgage with the bank. Under our Expanded Down Payment Assistance Program the cutoff point is whether they can afford a 30 percent mortgage at a bank. Below that is where we offer the Independent Housing Program. It allows people who can still afford to pay the operating costs of the home to become homeowners, but they do not necessarily qualify for the bank funding.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the concerns that comes up when you talk to past clients of the Housing Corporation is the number of different programs that change from year to year. I am wondering about this Independent Program compared to the EDAP program. While listening, a couple of things come to mind. You might have, correct me if I am wrong, two neighbours, one who can afford a mortgage who has to go to the bank although he gets assistance from EDAP. Then there is his next door neighbour who does not qualify for a mortgage but is basically, I do not know if you could say given a home, but what is the comparison? The concern here would be two neighbours and two houses, but one has to get a mortgage and one gets it through the Housing Corporation. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Murray will deal with the different programs, but I wanted to indicate that, indeed, there have been different types of programs over the years that are geared toward different income brackets and are very much dictated by how much the government has at the time. If we could build more houses, if we could assist more new homeowners and make it easier for clients to lower their mortgages or lower the number of years they have to pay for a mortgage, et cetera, we could. Our hands are tied, in some cases, by the amount of cash that we have on hand. With that, I will ask Mr. Murray to speak a bit on the different types of programs and why they are the way they are.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To answer the Member's question, there is a repayment required on the Independent Housing Program. The difference between it and the Expanded Down Payment Assistance Program is we hold the mortgage on the Independent Housing Program because the amounts...it would be borrowing a lot less from the bank and it really is not worth it for the banks to get into that. We had enough trouble selling the banks and CMHC on allowing us to go to a 70 percent down payment form of assistance. We are still holding those mortgages, but there is repayment on those to us.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In Inuvik early this winter, the case was brought up about the homeless there who are living in tents throughout the year. Is there any funding available through any of your programs that would allow these individuals to be given the resources to, for example, build a log house, which is a little more suitable than a tent throughout the year? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are a couple of things going on in that fund. First of all, the individuals may be or may have been eligible for social housing, or may not have been for various reasons, if they have

arrears to LHO or have run into other problems, they might not be. However, applying for social housing with the Inuvik Housing Authority is always an option. On the general issue of the homeless and dealing with that is one that Mr. Dent and I have committed in the House to try to find solutions or options for. It is raised mostly about the situation here in Yellowknife, but there are situations in other places, too. Although I cannot speak to details of what is being discussed right now between the Housing Corporation, ECE or Health, I can say that we do have officials exploring options of where we could go with helping the homeless. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. We are on contributions, Inuvik, total region, $5.592 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Contributions, Baffin, total region, $11.791 million. Mr. Enuaraq.

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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are talking about various Baffin region communities. Can the Minister indicate which communities we are talking about and how much we are allocating for each community? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Before I ask the Minister to respond, I would like to recognize Premier Morin's granddaughter, Jessie.

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