This is page numbers 505 - 534 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Detail of work performed on behalf of third parties, page 2-43 and 2-44. Total department on page 2-44 is $747,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Could I have the Members revert back to page 2-39 where it says program summary at the top, Aboriginal Affairs, program summary, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $2.765 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before concluding this department I would be putting a motion forth later on with regard to the item which I raised about formulating some coordination between Intergovernmental Affairs and this department to look at the issues, especially in conjunction of the different bilateral arrangements between aboriginal peoples from the different jurisdictions if there is a way that they can consider looking at that topic and try to find a way of developing some sort of a mechanism or policy within house to deal with that matter. I would for the record, state that I will be putting something forth on this matter at this time.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. We are on Aboriginal Affairs, program summary, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $2.765 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Total expenditures, $2.765 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Does the committee agree that consideration of the department's estimates is concluded?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. I would like to thank the witnesses and the Minister. What is the wish of the committee at this point? Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

To report progress.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. We have a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is not debatable. All those in favour of the motion? All those opposed? The motion is defeated. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

That we continue with review of Bill 8 and proceed with the Legislative Assembly.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. We will then take a short five-minute break to allow the department to prepare themselves. Thank you.

--Break

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

We will call committee of the whole back to order. We have on the agenda next the Department of the Legislative Assembly. Would the Speaker like to present his opening remarks?

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I have with me the Clerk of the Legislative Assembly, Mr. Hamilton. Madam Chairperson, colleagues, I am pleased to present the last budget for the Legislative Assembly as we know it today. However, like the Minister of Finance, I am feeling a little nostalgic. I would like to take this opportunity through you, Madam Chairperson, to thank the Members of the 13th Assembly, individually and collectively for their support to me as Speaker. I am particularly pleased that when we were sworn in to the 13th Assembly, we had among us 15 new Members. What I have found, as the longest serving Member of the Assembly, and therefore, the Dean, is that each Assembly establishes its own mark on the history of the Northwest Territories.

The 13th and last Assembly of the Northwest Territories as we know it today is no different. We have a tremendous responsibility and obligation to the people of the future territory of Nunavut and the Western Territory that will be created from division on April 1, 1999. To paraphrase an old saying, so it is said, so shall it be written. History will judge the actions we have taken and the actions we will take in the next few months. Madam Chairperson, I think it is worth reminding ourselves of the vision we have adopted for ourselves, which is;

the Legislative Assembly provides, within a framework of accepted democratic principles, an environment in which the elected representatives of the people of the Northwest Territories can, effectively and to the best of their abilities, pursue a common agenda for the collective good while taking into consideration the demographic diversity of the north.

Madam Chairperson, as your Speaker I would not only like to thank the Cabinet and Members for their hard work and understanding, but I would be remiss if I did not express my appreciation to the staff of the Legislative Assembly. We sometimes take the people behind the scenes for granted and I would like to thank them for their efforts on our behalf.

--Applause

Madam Chairperson, the main estimates before this committee today provides the financial and human resources that will take us to April 1, 1999. The Legislative Assembly is requesting an expenditure of $12,797,000 which includes a capital allocation of $282,000. The estimates of the Legislative Assembly are expenditures that are driven again, by legislation, political direction and historical trends. As we know, Madam Chairperson, these elements carry a price tag. The estimates reflect, as accurately as we can determine, what I feel are the financial and human resources needed to meet the demands as we know them today. Changes in the political environment are not unusual, especially in our jurisdiction, where we are undergoing profound political and constitutional changes. In preparing the estimates, we did not feel we could predict with any certainty how this might change over the next 12 months of this budget.

As you know, there will be 24 MLAs throughout the year this budget covers, but we will loose ten of our colleagues on April 1, 1999 when the Nunavut Legislative Assembly will take office. As a result we cannot foresee how the Legislative Assembly, Cabinet, standing committees and particularly our Nunavut and Western Caucuses will be shaped. Changes in this regard may require us to realign our expenditure allocations throughout the 1998-99 fiscal year. However, I am confident that we will be able to ensure flexibility in reallocating the dollars from within the appropriations before you today. The Management and Services Board has deliberately taken action to ensure services are continued to be provided, without disruption, up to March 31, 1999. The board has structured our major contracts and statutory appointments to terminate on March 31, 1999. This puts no restrictions on the next Assembly and permits them to decide on the level of services they would like to provide.

There has been no significant changes in the estimates presented to the Standing Committee on Government Operations earlier this fall. I am pleased to report, however, that the estimates for the Legislative Assembly will increase in the current fiscal year by $689,000 and in 1998-99 by $1,101,000. This is the result of an agreement signed on November 10th by the Governments of Canada and the Northwest Territories for the financing of elections in Nunavut and the Western Territory.

With respect to Legislative Assembly operations, the staff here will be involved in providing assistance to the emerging Government of Nunavut, with respect to staff training and the establishment of a functioning office, in time for the elections and swearing in of the First Assembly of Nunavut. Our staff will also be of assistance as the structure of the Legislative Assembly as the Western Territory unfolds. The future structure will impact on the level of services and budget allocations that will be required after 1999 and into the new millennium.

Some of us will not be around this table for the next review of the main estimates as the election for the First Nunavut Legislative Assembly will probably be held in early February of 1999. It will be a very busy year for all of us, both Ordinary Members and the Ministers. It will be difficult, as always, to balance our day-to-day duties to our constituencies, the work of the House, committees and Caucuses, and most importantly, our families. Madam Chairperson, along with my officials, I would be pleased to address any questions as to the significance of the main estimates. Mahsi cho.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Speaker Gargan. I would like to now call on the Government Operations Committee for their report on the Legislative Assembly. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The committee held a wide-ranging discussion of the operations of the Legislative Assembly in conjunction with its review of the Assembly's 1998-99 Main Estimates. Issues touched on included elections before and after division, building maintenance issues, fire safety issues, the Chief Electoral Officer position, pension plan administration and services provided in the Speaker's Office. The committee is generally satisfied with the 1998-99 Main Estimates as presented by the Speaker. However, the Standing Committee on Government Operations wishes to comment on the following issues:

The committee appreciates the briefing on the current situation regarding the delivery of interpreter/translator services to the Legislative Assembly. Committee Members were concerned about the impact on interpreter/translator service delivery and the associated costs resulting from the privatization of portions of the Language Bureau. The Legislative Assembly must be able to provide language services in all of the official languages of the Northwest Territories. Former employees of the Language Bureau have moved on to other opportunities within and outside government and shortages of qualified private-sector Dene language interpreters now exist. This shortage has impacted negatively on language services to Members of the Legislative Assembly and to the public.

When the privatization of the Language Bureau was first proposed, Members of the committee expressed concern that although costs would initially be reduced, interpreter/translator services would not be more effectively delivered by the private sector.

In addition, there are serious concerns that the funding transferred to the Legislative Assembly to provide for this service will not be sufficient to cover the cost of language services for this or subsequent fiscal years. Members of the committee have also heard concerns expressed that other departments and regional staff face the same dilemma. The committee intends to closely monitor issues related to the privatization of portions of the Language Bureau. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. At this time are there any general comments on the Legislative Assembly? Mr. Steen.