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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. O'Brien. I understand the assistant deputy minister is to elaborate further here.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are emergency response plans that are developed at the community level. There are also regional emergency response plans, and the development of those regional emergency response plans is coordinated by our superintendent of Municipal and Community Affairs in the region. What they attempted to do with the regional emergency response plans was to identify resources that are available within other departments of the government and other agencies that work within the regions to support communities in dealing with emergencies including missing persons and other types of situations when that is needed. It seems like a good suggestion, and I am not sure whether it has been covered at this point or not, but the whole idea of involving communities as a group as a resource to support the regional emergency response plan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Before I recognize Mr. O'Brien, I am getting a signal from Madam Minister that she wants to speak.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know that the search and rescue people in the Keewatin region have been doing search and rescue activities for quite a long time, and the people that I know, like in Rankin, Harry Towtongie and Tikik, a whole bunch of them already have a plan amongst the hunters that might not be written, but they do have a plan. They do know that Arviat has to contact Whale Cove and so on. They have been doing that for as long as I remember. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In reference to the Minister's reply, I did not indicate that I approached her on this issue. I think that is really irrelevant. The comment I made was, is this being considered? I think that is a fair question. This issue was raised by an elder, an avid search and rescue individual who has been involved for many years, a hunter and trapper out of Baker Lake and it is Mr. John Nukik Sr. It is my understanding that they did make advances toward the Minister's department. Their office would be in Rankin, I believe, seeking to find out if this was a possibility to help them form such a group. With that in mind, my question is somewhat unanswered. I am asking the department if they would consider possibly having a meeting with the various groups to try to formalize such a situation. It would not be necessary that a region would get involved in every search. It may not be necessary at all, but in some cases, I am sure they could use the help and if it were done in a coordinated fashion, it would be that much more efficient and effective. It could save a life. That is a comment. The question I have is, are there any guidelines that we provide as a government through your department, when an individual is lost, how long they wait to go out? We know we had situations where people were lost and as the day passes, and it seems in some cases where, if the group had been out sooner, or the government or the RCMP had been involved, possibly a life could have been saved. Do we have such a mechanism built into our plans or regulations and is that something that we should be considering?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will have someone contact John Nukik Sr. and tell him that he had contacted MACA and they had not responded. I have quite a few elders, Barnabas Pirjuak in Baker Lake, who can contact this individual and talk with him on a personal basis and see what has happened here. I do listen to all the elders. It is unfortunate my staff did not listen to him. This is a very good idea. We will bring it up in the regional leadership meeting which is coming up in the Keewatin. For the other part of his question, I will ask my staff to answer. Vern will answer the other part of the question. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Assistant deputy minister.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As far as the policy is concerned, my understanding is, we do not have a policy per se on the timing for searches of missing persons. The department takes its lead from the RCMP who are the lead agency in dealing with that issue, but we work closely with them, of course. We are involved with the RCMP in developing planning related to searches, but the lead department and the department that would be setting policy per se, would be the RCMP. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I find it awfully offensive when I ask questions and I get the answer that, we have not heard anything back from the community. I am the one that is representing the Mackenzie Delta in this budget review. I am the only person that is sitting here from the Mackenzie Delta to have an opportunity to speak against the budget. Any questions we ask to the budget, in association as a Member of a riding, for her to challenge me and say she has not heard anything about it, or make a comment that I have to wait until I get something back from the community. I am the representative of that community. I am making a statement on behalf of that community and I would like the Minister to answer those questions as the Minister responsible for this portfolio. For her to tell me she has not received anything, if she wants to go through Hansard or look at motions that have been passed in the House on this particular issue in regard to the flooding situation in Aklavik, there are Member's statements I made in this House on the same matter in regard to the incident last spring and to documents that are filed by her department. The water treatment upgrade for Aklavik is In the budget review. One of the concerns they have is the quality of water they have in the springtime because of flooding. Mr. Chairman, I do not think it is appropriate for myself to have to reiterate exactly who I am, or who I represent and what right I have in this House as a Member. I do not think it is courteous of the Minister or her department to answer in such a manner to a Member of this

Legislature who represents the constituents we represent. With that Mr. Speaker, I would like to report progress.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. There is a motion on the floor to report progress. Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Are you making a motion to report progress?

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I make a motion to report progress.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. There is a motion on the floor to report progress and that motion is traditionally not debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? Thank you. The motion is defeated. We will go back to activity summary of 1998-99 main estimates, emergency services, on Page 4-8. I have Mr. Steen. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, to continue my line of questioning earlier, I understand from the Minister and the department that the superintendent of MACA is responsible for coordinating emergency response plans for the communities. Mr. Speaker, all through MACA's budget and programs, this particular person, this superintendent, is being directed to do a lot of things. Is this position getting overloaded? Being a political person, I notice the particular superintendent in my region is beginning to get mowed over more and more as I see him. I think it is directly related to the amount of workload on his shoulders. You are overworking that guy, and I think it is the situation in every one of your positions, in every region. I do not know personally whether the department and this government may want to reconsider who should be coordinating search and rescue as far as this government is concerned. I know what the department is trying to do. With all due respect to the hamlet councils and to the department, I thought this search and rescue was fairly well coordinated in the community through the hunters, trappers and the Rangers. Now, if you are, in fact, putting a plan together that applies to an area that applies outside the municipal boundaries, obviously, this is going to be a fair amount of expense that would not be addressed under emergency measures money from the federal government. Therefore, my question would be, for instance, in regard to the detailed plan that you have suggested is being put together for different types of search and rescue, water, marine and land, do the detailed plans identify who is going to pay for these costs?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask my ADM to respond to the question.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The plans on how we can assist communities and other agencies can assist communities to respond to emergencies locally, these would be the regional emergency response plans. There would be a similar plan that is coordinated by our staff here in Yellowknife at a territorial level. The plan details a cooperative approach to dealing with emergencies. It does not indicate where the funding would come from for the searches or the costs, but represents a collaborative or volunteer effort to deal and assist with those types of events. In terms of funding for those events, they are dealt with as extraordinary, and costs that are incurred by the GNWT are consolidated into a submission which is considered by Cabinet or by the Financial Management Board. There are also other arrangements with the federal government through a disaster financial assistance arrangement in which the federal government helps to cost share some of those costs with us. Those are how some of the financial costs are addressed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Minister also referred to use of satellite navigation systems as a possible remedy to assist those who are not quite experienced in their navigations on the land. I believe to some degree, she may have been referring to emergency locator beacons which are now available to the public. As we have found out over the past two years, this could get very expensive in responding to these emergency locator beacons. If some plan is not in place, who is going to pay? You can push all the buttons you want, but nobody is going to come unless somebody knows who is going to pay. We have already had a situation in the Beaufort this past summer where there was somebody who pushed a button and called for emergency location. I believe the RCMP responded with a charter. When they found out the guy was not in any emergency, they refused to pay for the charter, and suggested the charter aircraft owner collect from the guy that pushed the button. Unfortunately, the guy that pushed the button was Scandinavian, not a Canadian. As soon as he got back to the mainliner, he was back off to Scandinavia and the poor guy in Inuvik was left trying to find out who was going to pay for this. It has to be taken into consideration.

I would still like to emphasize, Mr. Chairman, I am getting more and more concerned with the amount of responsibilities and duties this department is taking on, bearing in mind, the amount of manpower they have. Like I said, I am not sure we are not overworking these people and they are going to burn out on us. Then, we will have nobody. I am concerned in that manner. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the Member's comments and concerns very much and he is making a very good point.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Are you okay with that, Mr. Steen? I move on to another Member. Mr. Picco.