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Handley

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are some inventories that have been done in the South Slave and also in the Fort Liard area, as well as Cameron Hills. Some of the data though is becoming outdated because as trees grow and change, inventories have to be done. In the 20 or 25 years

when they were originally done, they have to be repeated again. It is an ongoing process.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister or Mr. Handley indicate whether there is an overall plan with time lines, say a five-year plan? How do you approach this so it is done in a coordinated way to ensure that all the inventories are done and it is not forgotten, that it is up-to-date and renewed when appropriate? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Handley.

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Handley

As Mr. Kakfwi mentioned, we are going to try to identify extra dollars to be able to put into forest inventory. Up until now, we have been playing catch up with trying to keep ahead of the ongoing needs for inventory. It is possible that within five years, we could have a complete inventory of all commercial forest in the territories, but I would think it would take at least that long.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My other question is in regard to the harvesting of timber. Is there a clear position by the government and this department to the type of cutting and the process that is deemed acceptable? I am thinking of select logging as opposed to clear-cutting so we do not have to see situations like those that have occurred in BC, where they have sort of plundered the land and left. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The communities affected are the ones that helped us put together these forest management plans. They can get right down to actually selecting the places that should be harvested, and the type of cutting that should be done. Those are the kinds of management plans we and the communities came up with. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman. I would like to switch subjects briefly if I may, in regard to firefighting. My recollection was that can so bombers were brought on stream and there was going to be a review done after last year, in fact, to see how effective they were and is that the best investment considering their age and small capacity as opposed to say, CL-215's or helicopters or whatever other options there were. Has that type of assessment taken place?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department feels that because of the low level of activity in the last year, there has not been enough time to do a proper, accurate assessment of the benefits that come from the type of arrangement we have with the company. We will be looking at asking for additional time, perhaps recommending an extension to the present arrangement in order to get a more accurate assessment done. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Resource management, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $27.761 million. I have questions on this particular item, so in recognition of the clock, we will break for lunch and perhaps, Mr. Ningark will relieve me. I would like to remind Members that there is a Government Operations Committee meeting in Committee Room A at noon. Break for lunch and return at 1:00 p.m. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

--Break

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The Chair John Ningark

I would like to call the committee back to order. Forest Management. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my question to the department is, are there large tracks of lands containing forests that are owned by aboriginal groups through claims?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are timbered areas in the Gwich'in and Sahtu settlement regions. Outside of that, there are no claims in the Mackenzie Valley, particularly in the southern part. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gwich'in and Sahtu and I also understand there are some lands that are identified in the southern Mackenzie under the claims. Would these aboriginal groups have exclusive right to harvest timber?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is no legislation that provides for exclusive harvesting by aboriginal people in the southern part of the territory to harvest timber.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Does that include the Sahtu and the Gwich'in, no exclusive right to harvest timber?