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Committee Motion 42-13(5): To Amend Clause 76 Of Bill 15
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 42-13(5): To Amend Clause 76 Of Bill 15
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Clause 77. Agreed?

Committee Motion 42-13(5): To Amend Clause 76 Of Bill 15
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 42-13(5): To Amend Clause 76 Of Bill 15
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Clause 78. Agreed?

Committee Motion 42-13(5): To Amend Clause 76 Of Bill 15
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 42-13(5): To Amend Clause 76 Of Bill 15
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Clause 79. Agreed? Mr. O'Brien.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I would like to make an amendment to Clause 79, Bill 15 and that it be deleted and the following be substituted: The act or portions of this act shall come into force on a day or days to be fixed by order the Commissioner, but no such order shall be made before April 1, 1999. Thank you.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Ng.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Madam Chair, thank you. This motion has far reaching implications that I think the honourable Member has not taken into consideration before putting it forward. I would just like to articulate on a few of those. One of them, Madam Chairperson, is the fact that this bill is linked directly with the Child and Family Services Act, so any delay in this act in putting it into force would also delay that act or make significant changes required. Secondly, as I have indicated before, it is important to recognize that we have a legislative mandate and a moral responsibility to enact laws up until March 31, 1999. If the Nunavut government chooses to change those laws, then they have that right, post-April 1st, 1999. There are some factors that have to be taken into consideration of this amendment, Madam Chairperson. Thank you.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ng. To the motion. Mr. Steen.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I stated last Friday, when we were discussing this particular act under general comments and the acts, that I would be seeking an amendment to this particular clause as well. I referred to the fact that NTI and the Nunavut Social Development Council or committee were strongly opposed to this act coming into force before April 1, 1999. I appreciate the comments of the Minister. I have listened to him and other Members of the Standing Committee on Social Programs as well as to the amount of effort this government made to ensure these people were actually contacted and had input into the legislation. Madam Chairperson, I have heard nowhere where these people actually saw the draft act as we have seen it today. I have not heard any confirmation from the Minister that these people have actually seen the draft act and had opportunity to comment on each clause or the act in total, even. Therefore, I cannot go along with this act being imposed on people who feel they are going to be greatly impacted regardless of whether this act holds up two or three more other acts. I am sure these people took that into consideration as well when they suggested that the act be withheld until April 1st. I do not feel I am holding up anything from happening in the western Arctic, in my riding in particular, whether I hold up three or four acts. There seems to be no strong movement to have these family law acts put into place. Madam Chairperson, I do not mind repeating again, these acts have been reviewed for 15 years at the minimum. A few more months are not going to hurt, as far as I am concerned, so I am going to support the motion.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen. To the motion. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I will just make a couple of comments against the motion. I have some serious problems in some of the do-nothing attitude that some of us seem to have taken hold of over the last year or so, not just on this issue, but other issues related to division. The trend is rather than us, the duly elected legislators, MLAs, exercising our responsibility and exercising our rights to make laws and to make changes, that when groups make any kind of opposition, the trend is to say, let us not do it, let us delay until April 1st, 1999, or shortly thereafter. To tell you the truth, all the things we have put aside to do after April 1st are really mounting up. Some of them are very major. Some have ramifications on other acts, as this one does. Some have monetary ramifications like the Keewatin resupply thing, for example, where we would have been saving millions of dollars by now, et cetera.

I would suggest to MLAs to vote against this procrastination, I guess. Let us get on with this. The Minister is perfectly right that if we put this law on the books, the first legislature of Nunavut can make the required changes. I have been watching this area of law and the politics about the family law area for more than ten years. The consultations have occurred, the statements have been made, the law has been drafted. Now it has come up to us to pass it and we need to do that. I have seen the letters of concern from the Nunavut Social Development Council and from the Interim Commissioner's office. There is, aside from some minor things, really nothing except to say there has not been enough consultation or it does not reflect enough the Inuit way. To me, although it sounds supportable, it does not mean a whole lot unless the people who are opposing it show me exactly what the problem with it is. Those will be my comments, Madam Chairperson, that we go ahead and exercise our responsibility and do it and suggest to NTI, the Nunavut Social Development Council and Interim Commissioner's office that we work together over the next year to make improvements so that it is even better in a year's time. We are not pushing them aside, but we are saying we have to take this next step to go onto the next one after that. That would be my comment, Madam Chairperson.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. To the motion. I have Mr. Ningark and Mr. Erasmus.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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June 1st, 1998

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, come April 1, 1999, we will have an operating, functioning government. It is imminent. We will have a government of the Nunavut area sitting in the legislature and a public government in the western Arctic designing and drafting for Nunavut. I do not feel comfortable in that regard. Once Nunavut is functioning, it will be for the functioning government. It will be able to adopt this as a whole, perhaps amended or will draft a new legislation tailored for Nunavut. At this time, I feel we should, for the sake of the public and children, enact this legislation at this time, and I would urge my colleagues to support Bill 15. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Erasmus, to the motion.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Some of this may have been spurred along by the submission from NTI and the Nunavut Social Development Council which points out that they have a right to participate in the development of social policies for Nunavut. It also indicates that the Adoption Act, if it is passed, be amended so it does not come into force until April 1st, 1999. Madam Chairperson, the Nunavut Social Development Council and NTI clearly have a role and responsibility to participate in developing appropriate legislation for Nunavut. Over the next few months, work will be underway to identify those Northwest Territories statutes that must be amended because of division. Under the amendments to the Nunavut Act currently before federal parliament, it will be possible to make amendments to legislation that apply differently in Nunavut and in the new Western Territory.

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is defeated. Clause 79. Agreed?

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Bill 15, Adoption Act, preamble. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Bill as a whole. Agreed?

Committee Motion 43-13(5): To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 15
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

As amended. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.