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Motion 18-13(5): Support For Additional Funding For Education
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I agree

with my honourable colleague from Fort Smith, Mr. Miltenberger, that we should give direction to Cabinet as to what we expect and where the 6 percent funding we are talking about here is going to come from. Mr. Speaker, there is no doubt that we have to put our priorities in order here which comes first, education for the children or other programs that are going on at this point in time including subsidies. Mr. Speaker, one of the concerns expressed in my community in regard to how government spends its money, it is the amount of workshops, conferences and meetings that are being funded by this government which do not seem to have any productive result at the end of them. Perhaps, the government could look at each department cutting down on these workshops and conferences that they sponsor for our employees as well as for the boards and other agencies that are existing today. I have heard comments in my riding, whereby, they say some people just make a living going to meetings with no objective to get anything done except that they get paid to go. Their travel is paid and they have a nice shopping trip, so the government should look into where the priorities are and where they can save money and have more money for education. My other suggestion to the Executive Council of Cabinet is we have to start looking at cutting some subsidies in order to have funding available for education. A good start is the Business Incentive Policy. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking as part of the motion. I do support the motion, I believe that it summarizes well the concerns that have been raised in this House over the last few days by members. I think that it touches on almost all of the key issues that MLAs have raised on behalf of their constituents in the House and I know we can find $18 million more for education. There are many priorities of this government, but I think what this motion says is that it is the highest priority of this Legislature at this time to find this additional 6 percent, put it back in, $18 million for education. I, for one, will be willing and more than happy to sit down with Members and Cabinet Ministers and look for that $18 million because I believe we can find it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

To the motion. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, probably as most people, I would have difficulty not supporting more money for education or for health care, but two months ago we just completed a budget exercise where we went along with proposals that were put forward by the government and we had a little bit of input into them, but this House finished up approving a budget. I certainly have not objections to putting additional money into education, but when I talked in this House I talked about putting money into education in future years. I am not going to support this motion that we just do this automatically. I do not know where the money is going to come from. We can find it somewhere, but I do not know if that is correct. Mr. Speaker, as I say, I can support additional funding for education, but it is certainly for the future not just haphazardly. What will it be tomorrow? Will it be something else tomorrow? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is not a feel good motion. I take this motion very seriously and we fully expect the Finance Minister will find the money. Every time we come back to this House, we find another grand scheme the Cabinet has thought up, nobody else knew about. Money is going into it and there is a new supplementary appropriation that we have to approve. Yes, we did approve a budget not that long ago, but everybody in this place here knows that you cannot add money when you are doing a budget. You can only delete. There was no way that we could have added more money to the education budget in that process. The only way you can do that is through a supplementary appropriation which transfers funds, a supplementary appropriation for new funds or to transfer funds from other areas. There is nothing stopping this government from doing that, as they have done so often in the last couple of years. As Mr. Picco has indicated, there was going to be $50 million for diamonds, there is also $40 million for pay equity and neither of these items are shown in the budget. If we can find money for that, we can find money to invest in the children of this Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

I ask for a recorded vote. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus, the Member for Yellowknife North is asking for a recorded vote. All those in favour please stand.

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Erasmus, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Steen, Mr. Ningark, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Mr. Barnabas, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Picco, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Miltenberger and Mr. Ootes.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. All those opposed, please stand.

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Henry.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

All those abstaining please stand.

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Ng, Ms. Thompson, Mr. Antoine, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Morin, Mr. Todd, Mr. Arlooktoo and Mr. Dent.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The results of the motion are: 14 for, one against and eight abstentions. This motion is passed.

--Applause

Mrs. Groenewegen, your point of order please.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week in this House when I spoke about the need for value for money audits so we can identify where this government is perhaps wasting money, Mr. Todd had no sooner sat down, his microphone light went out and he said let us pull those contracts in Hay River that we are paying a premium on, those manufacturing contracts. Just now, Mr. Steen referred to business incentives at the end of his response to the motion.

Again, Mr. Steen sat down and without the benefit of a lit up microphone, Mr. Arlooktoo said, manufacturing. Everyone knows that the majority of manufacturing in the Northwest Territories takes place in my riding and I am getting sick and tired of these threats that every time we talk about saving money somebody sitting at this side of the table wants to talk about Hay River and wants to talk about manufacturing. That is my point of order. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To remind the Members, anything that is not recorded is not within the knowledge of this House. I must rule that the Member does not have a point of order. Motions. Are there any further motions? Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to consider my motion today that I gave notice of early regarding the conflict of interest.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Do we have a number for that? The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to deal with Motion 20-13(5). Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ootes, you have unanimous consent.

Motion 20-13(5): Request For Premier To Relinquish His Responsibilities
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS the Members of the 13th Legislative Assembly have the authority and responsibility to recommend the appointment of a person to serve as Premier and head of the Government of the Northwest Territories;

AND WHEREAS the 13th Legislative Assembly on November 22, 1995 through Motion 2-13(1) recommended to the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories appointments to the Executive Council;

AND WHEREAS the 13th Legislative Assembly selected the Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Don Morin, to be Premier and head of the government;

AND WHEREAS the Conflict of Interest Commissioner has ordered that a public inquiry be held into a complaint filed against the Premier;

AND WHEREAS the position of Premier and the Executive Council as a whole should be held in high regard by the residents of the Northwest Territories;

AND WHEREAS it would be in the public interest that the Premier take the necessary action to allay any concerns of territorial residents until the public inquiry is concluded and a report tabled in the Legislative Assembly that he step aside as Premier.

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, that this Legislative Assembly requests the Premier, the Honourable Don Morin, to relinquish his responsibilities as Premier until the public inquiry into the conflict of interest complaint filed against him is concluded and the report tabled and dealt within the Legislative Assembly;

AND FURTHER that the Deputy Premier assumes full responsibility for the day to day management of the Government of the Northwest Territories;

AND FURTHERMORE that the Honourable Don Morin remain as Minister without portfolio, but not attend meetings of Cabinet and the Financial Management Board.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Your motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I would feel this situation would be much different if it would impact negatively on the operation of the Government of the Northwest Territories, but I have every confidence in the Deputy Premier and the Cabinet Ministers that they can carry on. It is also an opportunity for the Premier and Cabinet to reinforce and strengthen the image and public perception of integrity, objectivity and impartiality in this situation. The Premier is here to advance the image of impartiality, and as I stated earlier in my statement, the report dismissed three allegations, but will proceed with eight through public inquiry. They cover a broad number of areas. This is a tough issue for all of us to deal with, I know, Mr. Speaker, but I feel that those in the public sector have a responsibility to set the tone and feel of what should be considered right to the public.

I have listened to people from my constituency on this matter and I felt it is important for me to listen to them, to make a judgment call and bring forward this motion as a result. This is the highest office in the Northwest Territories and, therefore, our standards must be maintained at an extremely high standard as well. I believe that if the Premier were to step aside for this interim period it would not affect the government operation negatively and, in my opinion, would be in the best interests of all. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking for a recorded vote on this matter and I would ask the Premier if he would allow Cabinet Members to vote on this issue in a free vote. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. The seconder, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, feel that the public perception on this matter has to be dealt with and, I believe, that the right thing for the Premier to do is to step down at this time and allow the public hearing to take place and the government to continue to operate without any indulgence by the Premier as the head of this government, but also allow the public to feel that we are allowing this process to be a fair, flowing, public process without any involvement by the Executive and that it is an open process. I think the government can continue to operate with the Deputy Premier at the helm, but I believe we have to allow public perception to be dealt with in regard to a matter in which former complaints were held where the Minister at that time did step down and relinquish his seat until the inquiry was completed. I would like that same process to happen in this instance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

To the motion. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not heard of anyone here in this House, back home in the east, Pelly Bay, Natilikmiot region, nor other media indicating that the Premier of this government is guilty of the allegations. Mr. Speaker, I have not received any phone calls from anyone from my area indicating that the Premier should step down. Someone mentioned that because the Premier is in the highest office in the system, should step down until the inquiry is concluded. At the same time, a person in the highest office is an easy target for the public because people are wanting to be in that place.

I have known the Premier. To me he had a very good influence over people and tried to help people out. I have talked to people back home, not during this time but in the past. All the people I spoke to, in the communities I represent, have high regard for the Premier. Until such time as someone, anyone, my colleagues or the media, indicate to me without doubt the Premier is, in fact, in the wrongdoing position, then I will ask the Premier, not my colleague, for the Premier to stand aside. At this time I think we are predetermining what is going to happen after the inquiry; therefore, I am not in favour of the motion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.