This is page numbers 155 - 185 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was education.

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Motion 5-13(6): Impact Of Nav Canada Service Fees On Air Transportation Costs
Item 16: Motions

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. Question was being called when I recognized the mover of the motion, question. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Thank you. Motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Mr. Todd.

Bill 7: An Act To Amend The Education Act And The Property Assessment And Taxation Act
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, that Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Education Act and the Property Assessment Act and Taxation Act be read for the first time.

Bill 7: An Act To Amend The Education Act And The Property Assessment And Taxation Act
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 7 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Todd.

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-99
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Kitikmeot, that Bill 9, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-99 be read for the first time. Thank you.

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-99
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 9 has had first reading. Item 18, second reading of bills, Mr. Todd.

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek consent to proceed with the second reading of Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Education Act and the Property Assessment and Taxation Act. Thank you.

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Mr. Todd is seeking consent to have second reading of Bill 7. Are there any nays? There is a nay. I am informed it requires two nays to stand down the bill, so proceed, Mr. Todd. You have consent.

Bill 7: An Act To Amend The Education Act And The Property Assessment And Taxation Act
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, that Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Education Act and the Property Assessment and Taxation Act be read for the second time.

Mr. Speaker, this bill amends the Education Act and Property Assessment and Taxation Act, with respect to taxation for educational purposes. It establishes an education mill rate for Iqaluit, deems the mill rate establishment order 1997 and the mill rate establishment order, 1998 to have been authorized and deems an amendment to municipal tax authority payment regulations to have to come into force, July 1, 1996. The act was amended to correct errors and provision references, clarify the property that is liable to assessment and taxation for territorial, municipal, local purposes, under the Property Assessment and Taxation Act, is liable to assessment and taxation for education purposes.

Provide that only education bodies that have been allocated the power set out in paragraph 119(c) to receive annually from the tax authority for the district, the sum of money collected for the property taxes for education purposes, are required to call a meeting of the rate payers of the education district.

Provide that a municipal, taxing authority shall pay the property taxes that are attributable to the levy of the education mill rate, to an education body. If they were levied, pursuant to the request of education body and if not, to the collector of taxes.

Change certain references to the District Education Authority, to education body, the Property Assessment and Taxation Act is amended to change certain references to district education authority to education body.

Provide that the Minister of Finance may establish an education mill rate for each property class in a municipal taxation area where no education body has been allocated the power set out in paragraph 119(c) of the Education Act, to receive from the taxing authority, for the district, sums of money collected from the property taxes, for education purposes.

It is long winded, Mr. Speaker, but that is the bill. Thank you.

Bill 7: An Act To Amend The Education Act And The Property Assessment And Taxation Act
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Education Act and the Property Assessment and Taxation Act has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to committee. Mr. Todd, second reading of bills.

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-99
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Kitikmeot, that Bill 9, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-1999, be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill makes supplementary appropriations for the government of the NWT for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1998. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-99
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 9 has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to committee. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters, Bill 5, Regulatory Reform Measures Act, Bill 9, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No 2, 1998-1998, with Mr. Steen in the Chair.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

I call the committee to order. For consideration of Committee of the Whole today, we have Bill 4 and Bill 9. I would like some direction from the committee as to how they wish to proceed? Mr. Ootes.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

That we proceed with Bill 5 at this particular time.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Ootes.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

That we proceed with Bill 5 at this particular time.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Does the committee agree?

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. I will ask the appropriate Minister, Mr, Kakfwi to introduce the Bill please.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is Bill 5, Regulatory Reform Measures Act. I would like to make some comments about it. The bill has been considered by your standing committee and the amendments that are being proposed are amendments that have been suggested by either the private sector stakeholders or by officials working in the government in the different regulatory programs. We believe that these amendments will make a difference in streamlining various processes and in eliminating red tape. We also believe the proposed changes will go further than that. What we are trying to do with many of these reforms is to establish a precedent that can then be applied to other regulatory areas. For instance, we are amending the Boilers and Pressure Vessels Act, to make it possible for the chief inspector to review information about the procedures a boiler plant operator will use in de-rating his equipment and to approve it without a special inspection. Similarly, we are proposing that electrical plans that have been signed and sealed by a qualified engineer can bypass a time-consuming review by the electrical inspection section. These amendments will demonstrate it is possible to use such streamlining processes and measures without reducing the safety factor and thus can be applied more easily in future reforms.

Similarly, the reforms to the Motion Pictures Act and the Consumer Protection Act, provide a new approach to harmonizing our legislation with other jurisdictions. There may be other applications to coordinating our regulatory frameworks with other provinces and territories in the future. I would suggest to the Members here, that when they look at these reforms, they should be seen as the first step in establishing a modern, less complicated, more efficient model for regulatory activity. While these reforms are valuable in themselves, we are also hoping it will be seen as examples of alternative approaches to our traditional way of doing things. The standing committee raised a number of areas of concern and provided some very helpful recommendations in respect to amending Bill 5. We have reviewed these. We have had consultations with the Department of Justice and relevant departments and agencies. I am pleased to advise that I think we will be able to address almost all of the concerns that were raised by the committee.

There is still a lot of work to be done in this area of regulatory reform. I know of the interest that honourable Members have, in seeing amendments to the Labour Standards Act, Condominium Act and others. I wish to assure you that our officials are working hard to bring forward a second legislative initiative that can address these. There are commitments under the agreement on internal trade to amend provisions of the Consumer Protection Act dealing with cost of credit disclosure. There is a need to examine our outdated regulatory system for pesticides. There are a number of recommendations on mine, health and safety that have been made by the advisory committee of worker and mine representatives. We are working on these and several other future initiatives. Given the very crowded nature of our legislative agenda and issues facing our Assembly at this point, it is difficult to know exactly when it will be possible to bring in these second-level reforms before the Legislature. However, I wish to assure you that our government is committed to addressing these issues at the earliest possible opportunity. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. I now invite the Deputy Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Government Operations for comments on the bill. Mr. O'Brien.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Standing Committee on Government Operations reviewed Bill 5, The Regulatory Reform Measures Act, at its meetings on September 1, 2, 15 and 21, 1998. The committee would like to thank the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, the Minister of Finance and officials for presenting this bill and responding to the issues raised by the committee.

Bill 5 would amend 16 acts and appeal two acts that have never been proclaimed in force. This proposal is the first phase of the regulatory reform initiative which was announced in March 1997. The standing committee raised several questions and issues with the Minister during its review. Six motions were passed to amend the bill at the committee stage.

amended to provide that the Minister may cause compensation to be paid in these circumstances. The bill would amend the Financial Administration Act, to allow the Minister responsible for a department or public agency, to set or change a fee under the act.

The committee questioned the Minister regarding the lack of any requirement to report fee changes to the Financial Management Board. The bill was amended at the committee stage to require new fees. Changes to the fees or removal of the fees, to be reported to the Financial Management Board within 60 days. Other motions were passed at the committee stage to clarify the wording of proposed amendments to the Public Utilities Act and to provide for methods of notice of cancellation of a direct sales contract to be set out in the regulations under the Consumer Protection Act. Bill 5 also provides for a system of voluntary reporting, to be instituted under the Environmental Protection Act.

Individuals or corporations that voluntarily report information about non-compliance with the act or regulations obtained through an environmental audit or environmental site assessment, would be immune from prosecution if they comply with any agreement negotiated with environmental authorities or any other made under the act. Committee Members support efforts to encourage voluntary compliance with the act, but questioned the Minister regarding the potential for abuses of these provisions. Members also raised comments received by the committee, that the bill should contain an additional penalty clause for knowingly concealing a breach of the act and that there should be a process for public input into any agreement or order made under the proposed voluntary reporting provisions. The Minister agreed that he would report, that he would respond to the committee on these issues before the bill was discussed in the committee of the whole and the Minister has done so. In the Minister's view, it is not necessary to amend the bill in the committee of the whole or to deal with these issues. The Minister advised that the act already makes it an offense to discharge contaminants and to the extent to which a person was aware of the discharge, could be taken into account by the court during sentencing. Under volunteer reporting provisions, a person will not have immunity from the prosecution unless the person turns over all information in his or her possession. The Minister also suggested that a requirement for public input could reduce the department's ability to act quickly in relation to the environmental damage and remove the incentive for the use of voluntary reporting provisions. The committee was advised that the government would review the issue and develop policy options for a new approach to informing the public about environmental problems and responses. The Chairperson, committee members, may question the Minister on these issues or have additional comments on the Bill as we proceed. This concludes the standing committee's comments on Bill 5, The Regulatory Reform Measures Act. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. I now offer the Minister the opportunity to bring in witnesses. Agreed?

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

The Minister may bring in witnesses. Agreed. Thank you. I ask the Sergeant-at- Arms to bring in the witnesses and seat them. Could I have the Minister introduce the witnesses please?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairperson. On my right, I have with me, Alan Downe, the Executive Director of the Regulatory Reform Secretariat. On my left, Rebecca Veinott, legal counsel with the Department of Justice.