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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. We are referring to the aboriginal governments at the community level. Our government deals with provincial governments, federal government, foreign governments, aboriginal governments, all types of governments and we have Intergovernmental Affairs. I do not have the budget lying in front of me, but is there any necessity to carry on with a separate standalone department like Aboriginal Affairs where we could possibly save money by rolling that into the Executive and rolling it under into Intergovernmental Affairs because you are dealing with other governments? Has there been any exploration or look at possibly freeing up some dollars by combining that and tying it directly into Intergovernmental Affairs? Intergovernmental Affairs is normally held by the Premier's Office to show the importance of it. Would there be any work done to look at that so that Aboriginal Affairs would just automatically roll in through the Executive, into Intergovernmental Affairs?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. There is no work on it, looking at combining it with Intergovernmental Affairs and Aboriginal Affairs, but at one point in time they were together and then they were split. They are both under my portfolio as responsible to the Executive as well, so certainly we could take a look at it to see what the possibilities are. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

They were combined before, so I guess it would not take that long to take a look at it. You would probably be able to give it an initial study to see the amount of dollars that you could save and within the period of time before this budget is passed in this House, like you have got two to three weeks, I believe? Would that be an adequate amount of time to take a look at whether or not it would be a cost-saving measure to this government to combine Aboriginal Affairs in with the Executive and Intergovernmental Affairs?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I do not think a couple of weeks is enough time to do it. I think something like that we need to take a real close look at it, look at the costs, the operation, the organizational structure, and so forth. As well, it has to go to Cabinet for approval to make the changes, so I do not think two weeks, the life of this session, would be long enough to do justice to looking at it and trying to do what the honourable Member is saying, to move ahead and make the changes. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. How long would that take? Two months, three months? Your year starts April 1st. April, May, June, July?

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Mr. Premier.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know about the timing. This is the first time it has come up here and I do not think we have thought of doing that. I do not think it will be that much of a cost saving when you do that. I think it would be very minimal because, as you say, this Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs is very small. The Intergovernmental Affairs section of the Executive is even smaller. I do not think there would be very much of a cost saving even if we did that. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Morin, your time is up. General comments. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further to the comments on the Dogrib Treaty 11 land claim, I am not that familiar with their actual claim. However, I am familiar with other claims such as the Sahtu and the Gwich'in and I understand that there are similarities such as water boards and land management boards, those types of things. If those things exist in the Dogrib Treaty 11 claim, then presumably the area over

which they are contacted and over which they have a great deal of influence is over the total area of their land claim, within their land claims boundary. What I would like to know is, are there such boards of management, water boards and land management boards in the Dogrib Treaty 11 claim?

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Premier.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Chairman, I would like to defer that to the deputy minister.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Overvold.

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Overvold

Yes, there is. It is an area of federal jurisdiction under the MacKenzie Valley Resource Management Act and the Dogrib have agreed to the same types of boards that the Gwich'in and Sahtu have agreed to. I think there is only one difference and that is in the area of land use planning. Rather than fitting into a public system, the Dogrib are going to be able to do land use planning on their own land.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Overvold. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before I proceed, I would like to move that we extend sitting hours until we conclude Aboriginal Affairs today.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Erasmus moves to extend sitting hours. The motion is in order. To the motion. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, those boards then, the water board and the land management boards and the wildlife management boards also exist, do those extend over the total land claim area that the Dogrib Treaty 11 have?

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the deputy minister to reply to that.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. Mr. Overvold.

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Overvold

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, they would. Similar to the regional boards in the Gwich'in and Sahtu areas, the jurisdiction extends to the settlement area boundaries. The problem with the Dogrib is that there is no agreement yet on what this settlement area boundary will be. They have to negotiate a boundary with the Akaitcho group and with the Deh Cho group. The boundary is not settled yet. Whatever that boundary is, which has to be settled before the final agreement, that is the area of jurisdiction that these boards will operate within.