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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, the error in the document in terms of calling this a community access road was noticed yesterday, last night. We checked on it to find out why it was included in that activity, whether it was a mistake. Today it was confirmed that it was a mistake, so it really belongs in the highways activity.

It does not change, though, the purpose of this winter road as is proposed. Everything else is still the same. It is just that the title on the activity was wrong. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Lafferty.

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I take it there is $101,000 for access roads still out there somewhere, it is just the name was wrong?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, no, there is no $101,000 out there somewhere for community access roads. The $101,000 that is here is for the winter road. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one question. Is this the community access roads budget or another, just for clarity? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley, clarification.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, as I mentioned before, there is a mistake in the document. This should be the highways activity and then to provide funding to add Colville Lake to the existing public winter road system, $101,000. That should be in the highways activity.

The $568,000 that is listed in the document is a community access road. That is a mistake. This was put into the wrong activity when the document was put together.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If this is a mistake, this mistake is part of this whole bill. I do not feel comfortable in voting on a mistake. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, there is not a mistake in the bill. This backup document, when it was entered, it was entered in as community access roads. Instead, it should have been entered in as highways. The amount in the budget should have been $34,947,000. Correcting that mistake does not change anything in terms of the funding that is being requested, the $101,000. It is still the same amount of money requested to build the same winter road. There is no difference there.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley, can you restate that for the record? Your microphone was off when you made that last comment.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, I was just saying that the correction would be that this is a highways activity. The amount of money in that activity should be $34,947,000. The amount that is being requested in the supplementary appropriation of $101,000 stays the same. The purpose of the money is still the same. What is in the bill is still the $101,000. There is no mistake in the bill. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as you well know, and all Members know in this House, the budget under community access roads is $50,000 per community to access recreational, tourism and other community use. That is, $50,000 per community. Those funds are badly needed, every last cent of it. What we have on this side of the House is a document that says community access roads, under which $568,000 has already been approved, and they want an additional supplementary of $101,000. It says community access roads. We do not have additional material as the Minister or Cabinet does, that says it is a mistake. We do not know if it is a mistake or not.

Until the wording is changed on this document, I will not vote in favour. I will not vote at all. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Comment. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

I have the same concerns. I am concerned that the process was not undertaken through the business plan. It did not follow the regular process. However, by identifying this under community access roads, whether it is a backup document or not, it was pointed out yesterday that this was a mistake and the Minister indicated it was a mistake. I think there was an opportunity to correct it, yet he leaves it as a mistake and we are expected to pass it, knowing full well that this is not correct.

I have other questions for the Minister. Yesterday he indicated to us that there was no commitment from the oil and gas industry for this road. Yet I hear the Minister responsible for Transportation saying there is a commitment. There is a lot of interest from the oil and gas companies. Which is it? We get a report and now we are starting to hear conflicting views.

It was not clear yesterday that it was going to cost a total of $194,000. In fact, the Minister said it would cost $20,000 more than what it would cost to resupply for fuel in housing. That is not what I am hearing today. I think we are seeing a whole new picture and I, too, am not ready to support this as it is. I think we have to have the corrections made before I can vote in support of this.

I cannot approve a document that has a bunch of mistakes in it. We have two Ministers saying to me, from what I can hear, two different views. I will not support it. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, we checked today. Last night we said we thought there was a mistake in there, because it did not seem to be correct. Today, we checked and I am confirming it is on the record that the mistake is noticed and corrected. If the Members want a corrected piece of paper in front of them then I would be happy to defer this item until tomorrow and we will make the corrections and give you a corrected page.

As I said, it does not change the request, and it does not change the bill. All it will give you is the backup paper that has the corrected information. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

Committee Motion 37-14(3): To Defer Item Community Access Roads Under Department Of Transportation, Operations Expenditures, Supplementary Appropriation No. 1, 2000-2001
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November 15th, 2000

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Chairman, with what we are hearing around here in this last line of questioning and the responses we got yesterday, the idea it is just a page and forget about that. Just yesterday, Mr. Kakfwi said that we on this side of the House can make outrageous statements not based on fact. We can create legislation that does not exist and make reference to it. I have a very serious concern. You say that on one hand and you come in and we have a different beat today than we had yesterday.

I move that we defer this page until it has been replaced and corrected. Thank you.

Committee Motion 37-14(3): To Defer Item Community Access Roads Under Department Of Transportation, Operations Expenditures, Supplementary Appropriation No. 1, 2000-2001
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland, are you making a motion or do you just want to defer this item?