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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister tell me, what is she doing with her department and the aboriginal groups in the Territories to make the best use of this money? Because this is, a lot of times, the first use of expenditures by doctors and lawyers. They will use up those funds and then you find out at the end of the year that you have used up the $5 million that is there for the non-insured health benefits.

That is why I have a concern, because I feel that this money is a fundamental right to aboriginal First Nations people, especially ones with treaty rights through the Indian Act. I, for one, feel the dental and eye care specialists try to ding you for as much as they can out of this money and then people that one day need it most have none.

I would like to know, has this government made an attempt to meet with the First Nations groups to say, "Is there a better way of dealing with this money", or are there any plans to meet with them to discuss how this money is being spent today? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Madam Minister.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, from time to time, people involved in these federal programs have been invited to come and meet with aboriginal people through various leadership meetings. Certainly if it is the wish of the Members, if we were looking at changing the way the program dollars can be spent, it is very clearly specified and if we were looking at a fundamental change to that, what we could do is arrange for representatives of Health Canada to come to the Northwest Territories again and meet with MLAs this time and talk about the way in which this funding is spent.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Another issue on the Health Insurance Program is the out-of-territory cost, where we see that there is an increase in costs. Could you give me a breakdown of how much of this money is used for treatment programs in southern Canada, regardless of if it is alcohol and drug or basically child care or whatever. Could you give me a breakdown of what exactly the cost is on that $7.5 million for using southern institutions?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Madam Minister.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the $7.5 million the Member refers to is for acute care services and it is for hospital services. It does not have to do with drug and alcohol treatment in southern institutions. It is all spent with the Capital Health Authority through the Alberta government. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister tell me how much money we are spending for people to see psychiatrists, especially people in corrections facilities? I was alarmed to hear that there are people within our jail facilities here, especially the Yellowknife Correctional Institute, that really need psychological help but they are not being referred anywhere because there is no money.

I would like to know exactly what this department is doing to ensure there is money available for people who need this help? I notice all of the money has been spent in southern Canada. I would like to know what they are doing to ensure there are funds there for people who are finding themselves incarcerated to be psychologically evaluated and also dealt with because of their illnesses.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Madam Minister.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there are resident specialists that do practice here in Yellowknife that do have credentials as psychiatrists and psychologists and certainly there are psychiatrists that also come here to provide services as well, visiting psychiatrists.

As far as the services that are available to persons who are incarcerated, I believe that might be a question in the funding forum better directed to the Department of Justice. That would fall under their responsibility. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Madam Minster. The Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I still have concerns about the new major projects identified in the interim. We have heard from Mr. St. Germaine that there is a functional review ongoing. When that functional review is completed, we will have a better idea as to which projects have been identified as priorities and which projects this funding might be used for.

The Minister indicated, initially at least, that she was not sure or certain that this money would be used in the next four months. I am wondering if the Minister could give us some indication or idea of when she expects this functional review will be completed and when we might find out where this money is to be spent. Specifically, which capital projects it will be allocated to.

I would like to specifically know, if it is possible that the functional review could be completed, say next week, and the Minister could come back to this House and give us, next week, a list of capital projects that this money was ear marked for. If this is not the case and the functional review will not be complete by next week, I would then like the Minister to explain to us why she thinks the Members would not move to have this item deleted from the interim.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Madam Minister.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is my understanding that the functional review is, in fact, complete. It is now just a matter of assessing the results of the information that was gathered. I could attempt to have that information available to the Members next week. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am glad to hear that we will have that information by next week and later at the appropriate time, I will present a motion that the budget for Health and Social Services be deferred until that time. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. General comments. What is the wish of the committee? To proceed with the detail of the estimates? Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman, I move that the committee consideration of Health and Social Services be deferred at this time. Thank you Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Mr. Bell, we will take a short recess, as we have to have a written copy of the motion.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I would like to call the meeting back to order. Mr. Bell, could I get you to read your motion for the record please.

Committee Motion 2-14(2): Deferral Of Consideration Of Department Of Health And Social Services (carried)
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman,

I MOVE that the committee consideration of the Department of Health and Social Services in the 2000-2001 interim appropriation be deferred at this time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 2-14(2): Deferral Of Consideration Of Department Of Health And Social Services (carried)
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

There is a motion on the floor. The motion is in order and is not debatable. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Mr. Dent.

Committee Motion 2-14(2): Deferral Of Consideration Of Department Of Health And Social Services (carried)
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I recommend we continue on by considering the interim estimates for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development.

Committee Motion 2-14(2): Deferral Of Consideration Of Department Of Health And Social Services (carried)
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree?