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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

You are so kind, Mr. Chairman. The second one was the PeopleSoft program and the staff that were hired to implement and get this program up and running. The Minister stated earlier that the current staff that run the highline pay system and the government human resources system can operate the PeopleSoft system. We know, as well, that there have been new hires for getting the PeopleSoft program up and going.

Knowing this government has an unofficial no-layoff policy, what is going to happen when this program is up and running? We are going to have more than enough people to run the system, from what I am gathering, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just for clarification, we only have one contractor left. I do not think that one will be an issue. The other people whose positions will be up as the system is in place are on secondment. We expect that those people would go back to the job from which they were seconded. If necessary, then we will do some readjustment, restructuring within Financial Management Board Secretariat to accommodate the changes. There should be no need to lay-off anyone. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Minister Handley. General comments. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a couple of questions. Of the 68 units of the staff housing contracts, how much revenue is generated from that? This $1.8 million is to cover off lease costs and operations and maintenance and such, but I was just curious. I am assuming that a big portion of these are rented, so what kind of revenue is generated to offset this $1.8 million?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, we do not have that information with us. We would have to provide it tomorrow. I apologize for that. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

So, we know how much we need to honour the lease payments and cover these other costs, but we do not know if the 68 units are operating in the red or in the black. Is this an offsetting expenditure, like $1.8 million or is it going to be close to that? Where would we see that reflected in the interim appropriation?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, the million dollars that is shown for lease costs and operations and maintenance is the total of the lease costs. We are not collecting anywhere near that amount in rent, so, yes, this is being operated at a loss.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will just tack this on as a preamble to another question, then. So, you will provide that information to see what kind of revenue is generated. I would be interested to know that. I would also be Interested to know who negotiates our leases or the government's leases, if they are that generous that we operate at a loss.

I would also like to know, is the knowledge management strategy looking at the PeopleSoft system as well? The system we have just invested so much in and of which I have heard so many complaints about?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. That was two questions. Does the Minister wish to answer them both?

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Yes, Mr. Chairman, we will provide the information on the income from the houses, as was requested. We will do that tomorrow.

Second, with regard to the contract on the information technology side, the contract will look at the framework for all of our systems and that will include, I suppose in a way, the PeopleSoft. They will not be looking at how the PeopleSoft program itself functions, more the framework. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just checked through the last provided contract document. I just made a point of tallying up the money spent on contracts on PeopleSoft and that document is worth $1.3 million, by my calculation. I would like to know from the Minister, what was the initial budget to have this PeopleSoft system up and running? How long was it supposed to have taken? Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

The original budget was $4.2 million. The total project cost came in at $6.4 million, and of that amount, $2.1 is Nunavut's cost. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Does that include the last contract document where they had $1.3 million in contracts for PeopleSoft? Is that part of the figure that you are quoting to me?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, we are not clear on what $1.3 million the Member is referring to.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The contract document that was tabled by the government in this House last week for the second quarter, I believe it was, for the year ending March 31, 2000. I was flipping through there and took a running total of the money spent on PeopleSoft and I came to $1.3 million. I would just like to know, those figures that you quoted to me in terms of project costs and the $2 million budgeted for $4 million or so and coming in at $6 million, whether that includes those contract costs that were for the last or the second quarter of this year. Thank you.