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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister indicate whether Yellowknife is included in the North Slave for this department?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We do not have any houses in Yellowknife, so it is not included.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to get some clarification as well on this knowledge management strategy for $190,000. Can the Minister indicate what that is? Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will let Mr. Voytilla explain this one. It is fairly technical.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The knowledge management strategy is really our informatics strategy that we are updating. We hope to have that done by June.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So informatics is now a knowledge management strategy. Is this $190,000 just for Financial Management Board Secretariat, or is this for some sort of government wide knowledge management strategy?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The $190,000 is to put together a comprehensive government wide, knowledge management strategy, informatics strategy by another term, so we will be able to assess what our ongoing needs are. It will give us a planning framework. It will help us decide what capacity we need in bandwidth. It has multiple purposes, but it will be for the whole government.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Voytilla. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the government has been labouring long and hard for many years on their informatics strategy. Has that been scrapped? Is this yet another phase of more planning? There has been no real conclusion. In a lot of cases, we are spending a lot on strategy, but the actual implementation in informatics across the government is not very good. We have very inadequate, and in some cases terrible for the size of operation that we have, information systems that are not connected and not very modern. We have systems where you still have to count by hand, depending on what you are doing.

I would like some assurance here that we are going to get past spending six figures on strategies and actually get to the implementation. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The last informatics strategy we put together for the government was about five years ago. It was a comprehensive strategy at the time. It guided a lot of our investments over the last few years.

It was through that strategy that we determined that a government wide digital communications network would be necessary for us to take advantage of technology development. That strategy was in place, but because of the speed with which technology changes these days, no strategy has a shelf life that is longer than three to five years. What we have found ourselves with in the last few years was a strategy that no longer met all of the government needs and requirements.

We have determined that it is time, a critical time, to update that strategy and put into place a framework that will help us make decisions and plan for technology for the next number of years.

The current investment that we are making in the strategy of $180,000 is relatively small in comparison to what the government actually invests each year in systems and communication and data processing. In fact, we are probably spending well in excess of $10 million a year on that kind of development. We see this as a significant, but still appropriate, level of investment to come up with a strategy that will help us manage that better.

I think we had been making a lot of progress in the last few years with respect to our systems. I know a tremendous amount of work was done on our systems, upgrading them in the last two or three years as we prepared for the year 2000. We see significant opportunity to reap the benefits of further technology advances over the next two years. That is why this strategy is considered important to the government.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Voytilla. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The years in the last Assembly, when I sat on the social programs committee and we went through department by department on the informatics strategies, they had a strategy but as I recall, they made very little progress in implementing it.

I am thinking of health in a lot of cases. I am thinking of education with their systems. The ability for departments to communicate and to transfer information. The ability within departments like health where they have, and I have seen them, numbers of different systems within each department that are all different and unconnected, let alone connecting with all the NGOs and non-government agencies the government is tied into.

While I am not necessarily opposed to a plan, we need a plan that is going to go somewhere so you do not have to hand count your numbers. You do not have to double check your numbers. If you want child welfare information on how many kids you have in a group home, you have to route around in filing cabinets.

The deputy said we are spending $10 million a year on information technology. A lot of it was geared to a specific event at a point in time, the year 2000. The reality is, as a government, as a corporation, I think our information systems are wholly inadequate.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Member is right. There are many systems that still need to be upgraded and developed. Many of our systems are outdated. Hopefully, through this strategy, we will be able to co-ordinate the investment we make in fixing some of those problems.

I would mention that we have invested, and all of our departments have invested in a lot of systems improvements in the last few years. There has been work done on a new student financial assistance system. There are case management systems that are being developed. We are attempting to co-ordinate all of that development through a co-ordinating committee of deputies, as well as initiatives as bringing in and updating our informatics strategy.

I would be the last one to say that all of our systems are state of the art and meeting all of our needs. Keeping your systems current, getting the information out of them that you need to get and getting information into them is a constant struggle. That is something you have to keep working on.

The key thing is to work on it in a coordinated fashion, so you solve the problem of systems not being able to talk to each other and data being captured inconsistently. Those are certainly our goals. I think the Member raises a good point, which is we are not there yet.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Voytilla. General comments? Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, could the Minister elaborate on this knowledge management strategy? The deputy indicated that it is going to be completed by June. I am assuming this is a contract. Who is the contract with?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Handley.