This is page numbers 391 - 424 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, could the Minister clarify a bit further or indicate on the design side for seniors' facilities, how many design options are there? Do you have a number of on-the-shelf designs that you pick from to go to the communities? Or do you use another approach that allows communities to have a say?

I am thinking specifically of the facilities built for seniors in Fort Smith. They are duplexes basically. They are side-by-side, one floor, all handicap accessible. I understand in Fort Resolution, they built some stand alone small units that were very small for individuals or couples. So could the Minister just clarify the design options that are there? Thank you.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Allen.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

March 29th, 2000

Page 417

Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask our president to answer, as it is a technical question. Thank you.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Beaulieu.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Beaulieu

Mr. Chairman, the Housing Corporation offers for the Seniors' Independent Living Program a fourplex design, as well as detached designs. But in cases where we have built fourplexes, we have consulted with the communities. The communities have made design changes to fit the community better. Essentially, we have two options at this time; a fourplex design or a detached unit.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Miltenberger.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Some other concerns that were raised in committee were design features in the units. There was one which had the furnace room right by the entrance in and out of the house. If there were problems such as fire, the furnace room being right by the door limits access to windows that are set high and do not open significantly to allow an alternative exit, if that was ever required.

And the other feature was the height of the buildings off of the ground. They were set very high on blocks or piles. Can the Minister speak to that issue? I am assuming all these designs must meet building code standards for safety and fire. Could the Minister or the president speak to that issue please?

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Allen.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to speak to part of the question regarding the design. I believe in our community consultations, we spoke about lowering the units to a more accessible level for tenants. Again, the idea here is to go into the communities and discuss this with the community membership. That provides an opportunity for them to have input on how we deliver future seniors' housing. That is all encompassing to the prerequisites. I believe in the future we can build homes that are more satisfactory. From the standards side, Mr. Chairman, I would like to again call upon the president of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation to answer that.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Beaulieu.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Beaulieu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As far as the standard goes, it is acceptable to have one door and a second means of exit from a unit. However, that was a design option that we had under the alternate housing plan. We no longer offer designs to seniors which only have one access. The designs that are detached have two entrances. Also, the designs that are configured in a fourplex have two entrances as well.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Before we go back to Mr. Miltenberger, I would like to recognize Shawna McLeod who is watching us. She watches every session on television. She is the daughter of one of our Members.

-- Applause

Mr. Miltenberger.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was watching the clock down there, and I have just one quick follow up. If the Minister or the president could clarify the issue of the location of the furnace rooms. If it is two doors, I can see that it is not as big of an issue. But I see on those units that only have one door, it is an issue when the furnace is located right by the door. If there was a fire, access and exits would be impeded. Thank you.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Minister Allen.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Since that was a fire safety issue raised by the occupants of the buildings, we have suggested that we look at alternate heating sources. From that, we have asked the person responsible for that to provide us with information. We were hoping to have that information provided to us this week. Unfortunately, we do not have it. If the president would like to add on to what I have already said, I would welcome him to speak to that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Minister Allen. Mr. Beaulieu, would you like to add anything?

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

Beaulieu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to add that in all cases where we have been approached by seniors who were not comfortable with having one exit because of the location of the door, we have been able to add a second exit. Thank you.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

The Chair Leon Lafferty

General comments. Mr. Krutko.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 417

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Presently, there are still many government owned units in our communities. What is your department doing to try to retain those units so we can use them for public housing? They were on the market for sale, but the majority of them have not yet sold. It has been a couple of years in this process.

For example, in Aklavik, there are two three-bedroom duplexes which are shutdown, and yet there is a housing shortage in Aklavik. I would like to ask the Minister what is his department doing to try and take advantage of the offer made by this government to turn those units into public housing, since they have not been sold?

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 418

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Allen.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 418

Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would ask Jeff Anderson to respond to that question. Thank you.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 418

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Anderson.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 418

Anderson

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation is responsible for the property management of the remaining staff housing portfolio. I understand there are about 70 units left across the western Northwest Territories at this time.

It is important to note the Financial Management Board Secretariat is responsible for the policy side relating to the staff housing units. In cases where there are surplus units, they cannot be sold or passed on to other organizations. I understand the policy is that the Financial Management Board Secretariat will turn those units over to the Housing Corporation for public housing.

There are two cases now, Norman Wells and Fort Simpson, where we recently received nine units that were transferred over to us through that arrangement. Thank you.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 418

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Krutko.

Edap Program Review
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 418

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the question is when will the Housing Corporation take over these units from the government of the Northwest Territories, the Financial Management Board Secretariat?

This has been going on for some three years now and yet, there are still units in the community that could be used but are instead sedentary. They are shut down. If the units are there and they are not being used by the government, they should be automatically transferred to the Housing Corporation so we can make use of them wherever we find the need. We should definitely be using these homes if there is a shortage in the budget for the Housing Corporation to build houses. Let us find a new way of making use of these units and turn them into social housing where they can be used.