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Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs, regarding his remarks about the Dogrib chief negotiator and the council's statement in the press. I have some real concerns about the statement he released.

It basically says the government of the Northwest Territories and Cabinet are committed to negotiate self-government agreements that can be successfully implemented. We provide negotiation mandates to our negotiators. If issues rising at the table go beyond the mandate, they return to Cabinet for further direction.

The way I interpret that, after being at the negotiation table on the aboriginal side, is negotiation is a two-way street. What you want to do is improve the lives and conditions of the people you are negotiating for, especially First Nations people. The intent of self-government negotiations is that it works both ways. At the end of the day, you sit down and try to come up with something you both can agree to that reflects the First Nation ambitions and the government's ambition of devolving powers to the First Nations.

I would like to ask the Minister how much room there is to negotiate if the mandates given to these negotiators is so rigid that they cannot move on anything and have to keep coming back to Cabinet.

Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the negotiators have flexibility at the table. As I indicated, the next session is not going to be until October. The chief negotiators are getting together in August. They had a four-day session last week, from Tuesday to Friday.

New material was placed on the table by Canada and the Dogribs. We have to look at it and provide further direction to our negotiators. That is what I was trying to relay in this message.

How we instruct the negotiators, especially towards the final claims, where all of the tough issues are, we have to make sure that the instructions are there to allow the negotiators to move the process along, while at the same time trying to provide our negotiators with instructions that the government is committed to. That will commit to public accountability. To try and ensure that at the end of the day there is an agreement in place that could be successfully implemented.

It is a delicate and very complex time that we are in. We are trying to make sure that there is enough flexibility, and we are trying to give enough direction in a timely manner to our negotiators so that they have something when they go to the table. Thank you.

Return To Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Antoine. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are the negotiations at the point of being too rigid with no flexibility to negotiate? Especially with changing the institutions that we have in place now. Many of the government programs and services do not seem to be working. We are having problems in funding our institutions; education, health care, and social costs.

Are the aboriginal organizations able to change the existing infrastructures that we have to reflect the aboriginals' needs for the way they want to implement these programs? Are they able to go that far?

Supplementary To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the negotiations are in a manner that during the actual negotiations, if we come to a very tough issue, or impasse, usually after the session is over, all of the respective negotiators report back to their principals and we review what has been said and try to gauge the next set of instructions.

We have been negotiating with the Dogribs for a number of years now. As I indicated, all of the really tough issues are left to the very end. That is what we are encountering right now.

The process, as I said earlier, is ongoing. It is not stalled. We are on schedule according to the agreement that we had in May. There are a series of meetings identified and there are many details on the table. They are on the table and are still in the process of being negotiated. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Antoine. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the elements you touched on was the successful implementation of these arrangements. Under the different items to negotiate, using the Gwich'in agreement as an example, it states that implementation plans and financial arrangements relating to self-government agreements will also be negotiated once the items have been identified.

Are you jumping the gun by saying we cannot agree to putting something in place because we do not know what the whole picture is? In order to get a better understanding of what the cost factor is, you have to have a complete agreement. How close are we to having a complete agreement so we know how much this self-government agreement is going to be?

Supplementary To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we would like to try to complete this whole process as quickly as possible. However, we have to be very cautious, and try not to be too reckless so we have a good agreement that is workable at the end of the day.

We still have some way to go. Perhaps over a year to complete this. I cannot say how long this will take. If everybody agrees on all the different issues, we will have a very fast process. As I said, the two other parts of the party have left all the real tough issues to the very end. It might be some tough going here towards the end of the final agreement. I cannot say exactly how long it is going to take, but we will try to conclude it as soon as we can. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in light of what the Minister stated, I feel we are jumping the gun here and are overreacting. We should see what the complete picture is. I would like to ask the Minister if he is willing to loosen up on the set criteria he has put in place for his negotiators and allow them to negotiate and let us see what the complete package looks like, so we have something we could put our teeth into and see what the cost of that agreement is going to be. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will take the honourable Member's question as advice, then we will take it and discuss it internally to see what the possibilities are. We are towards the end of the process. I think we are still in for a rough ride. We will deal with all the issues as they come forward. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 57-14(3): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Question 57-14(2): Direction To GNWT Negotiators
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Transportation. We are all aware that Minister Steen has met with the Federal Transportation Minister. I wonder, and maybe by the lack of any statement made by him, we already know the answer, but can the Minister tell us how the meeting went and whether he was able to get any money for us? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, Mr. Steen.

Return To Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the answer is no, I did not get any money.

Return To Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the rest of the Members have been working very hard here all of last week. He went all the way to Ottawa and back. Perhaps he could just share with us what he did in those two days in trying to get the money. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, Mr. Steen.

Further Return To Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I met with Minister Collenette.

Further Return To Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Question 58-14(3): Meeting With Federal Transport Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the level of respect the Ministers are showing to Members here is overwhelming. Mr. Speaker, I believe we are entitled to ask the questions. Could the Minister tell us what he asked the Minister? What was his proposal? What did he go there for? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.