Mr. Handley, if you can take another question, and then we will respond back to Mr. Roland with the answer to that question. Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am curious as well, under other expenses, there is an increase of roughly $300,000 from last year to this year. If the Minister could just elaborate a bit on what that $300,000 under other expenses is attributed to? Thank you.

Mr. Handley.

Mr. Chairman, I will ask Jim Kennedy, director of corporate services, to answer that one.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Kennedy.

Just for clarification, Mr. Kennedy, there were two questions asked. One about the increase in compensation benefits, and the other question was other expenses. Could you rephrase your question and direct each one of those questions to their particulars so that you can answer Mr. Roland's question and also Mr. Miltenberger's? Mr. Handley.

Mr. Chairman, we will have to take that one as notice and get back to you because we do not have the details of how it is broken up, because there are some increases and some decreases here. By the time we work it all out to give you the exact numbers, it is going to be complicated.

If you want a general overview, we could provide that, but to get right down to the exact adjustment, we just do not have the information here. I am sorry. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Handley, we usually do not take questions as notice. Either answer the question or rephrase to one of your colleagues. I will ask Mr. Roland or Mr. Miltenberger if that is acceptable, or would you like an answer? Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is the only time that we have to get the information on the detail at this level. If the Minister is prepared to stand down on this area of the budget until he can provide the information, then I would be willing to do that. Before it gets approval, I would hope to have the detail of that question.

I have heard a couple of things, Mr. Chairman. Initially, I was informed that a pension adjustment of $1.1 million, and then a transfer from Public Works of $1.3 million. In fact, it is other transfers from other areas of the budget up into corporate management.

One of the other concerns was that they were taking program dollars and converting them to salary dollars. Is that the situation here? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Handley.

Mr. Chairman, looking at other expenses, I can try to provide it, but it is going to be a bit confusing for a couple of reasons. One is the 1999-00 budgeted amount originally was $3,335,000, but then there were some restatements that were done, bringing that amount to the $4,447,000 as indicated in the main estimates book.

Then there were a number of other adjustments that were made. We did a user- pay-user-say building maintenance that was transferred, that is $1.1 million. There were self-government negotiations, another $29,000. The Mackenzie Valley planning, $108,000. Then there was a reduction to reallocate user-pay to forest management, taking out $113,000. Then, reallocating user-pay to resource management, taking out another $154,000. There was a $2,000 adjustment on the Development Corporation reallocation. Again, a couple of internal reallocations within resource management and forest management of $20,000 each.

So, Mr. Chairman, I can get to it by totaling up all of those things, but I am not sure that this is going to serve the Member's purpose. I am happy to do it this way if you like.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. I believe you were responding to the question asked by Mr. Miltenberger, so I will ask Mr. Miltenberger if he wants to respond to that. Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I was initially, though I recognize that there was a significant change from the 1999-2000 main estimates to the revised main estimates and then back up to the budget figure this year, I was querying the $300,000 increase from the revised main estimates up to what they are in the budget today.

Listening to the figures that the Minister rattled off, it would seem that he covered a lot of territory, but significantly more than the $300,000 that I was asking about. It sounds like there may be some overlap with the figures referred to in the compensation and benefits, the difference of $2.5 million.

I am still not clear. The answer has not been clear. If I could ask the Minister if he could distinctly separate out those two areas. I share the concerns of my colleague Mr. Roland in terms of the compensation and benefits. Does it have maintenance money in there from Public Works, or are we taking program money from the field and moving it into headquarters to pay staff and demoting regional program dollars?

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, I am again going to ask the director of corporate services to attempt to answer the question.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Kennedy.

Thank you, Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is an overall reduction from what to what here? I am not following. I see a $2.7 million increase in these main estimates from last year's revised main estimates.

Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, if you are going from mains to mains, you are going from $4,477,000 down $300,000 roughly to $4.1 million. That is what we are looking at, not from the revised mains to mains.

Mr. Miltenberger.