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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department did have a strategic plan that covered it for a period of 15 years. In December, we issued a strategic plan update which covered many areas. We have this publication that is available. This identifies the areas that are being addressed. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, that one strategic plan is all the department is involved in? It is not involved with, as the Minister stated to me earlier in the House during question period, that there is work going on, a plan going on with Health and Social Services? It involves children. Is there not a plan to work with the Housing Corporation on income support and housing authorities and how you look at the streams of revenue and deductions allowed and so on? Can the Minister further elaborate? What other areas? It might not specifically be just Education, Culture and Employment. Who are you involved with, if you are part of a study, part of a plan? Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, many of the areas that thrusts are going into fall under this strategic plan. For example, with regard to the early childhood development initiative, we are working with the Department of Health and Social Services in that area. We expect to have a plan together by the end of summer. We are working with the Housing Corporation on the harmonization of the income support and housing. We have an oil and gas plan together and labour force development. There are a number of areas like that which all fall under this.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a final question. Is the department fully involved with some of the other departments in the plans that involve children, youth and education? I know the Tobacco Strategy was out there. There was some work, but it seemed like the Department of Health and Social Services was mainly going on their own, with some consultation with the department. When you say you are working with other departments, is it a real team effort? As a member of Social Programs in a previous Assembly, we pushed continually to have the envelope work together, not only on the committee side, but also with Ministers. We found that was a rarity. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, certainly on the deputy's level, they meet on a consistent basis on this. On the Ministerial level, we have met on individual areas. We have met collectively, we have met as well on individual areas.

As the Member well knows, our timeframe to meet has been somewhat difficult in the last several months because of travel and other developments, like meetings. I think there can be improvement in that area. There is no doubt in it. It is not as though we are not paying attention to it. We certainly are.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. The Chair recognizes Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to touch on percentages. In the Northwest Territories, we seem to have a lot of percentages, especially in the aboriginal community. We have a high percentage of drop out rates in school, a high percentage of unemployment, a high percentage of health problems, high percentage of illiteracy. These are all areas that are very important.

Then we go to the other side, which is still very important. We have a very low percentage of high school graduates, a very low percentage of university graduates. Those are all concerns of mine. What is even a bigger concern, Mr. Chairman, is the very low percentage of aboriginal speaking people in the Northwest Territories. We are failing at educating them and we are failing them on preserving and enhancing it. A lot of that responsibility lies within the Department of Education, Culture and Employment.

I would like to give some suggestions for possible remedies to these problems. One of the areas I would like to ask the Minister about, and I will suggest a solution, if he gives me time with his quick answers. I have a table here that speaks to the aboriginal communities funding levels for language development. It is broken down into Chipewyan, Cree, Dogrib, Gwich'in, Inuvialuit, North Slavey, and South Slavey. It gives a percentage of the population based on census. They then compare it to another census. They give you a percentage of the total population and funding accordingly. I sure would like to see the French people moved out and be put in this table. If I could get that by tomorrow, it would be nice. Can the Minister commit to that for me please?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just in answer to that, the funding for French languages is provided by the federal government. It is separate funding from the aboriginal allocation for funding.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you. That is good to know. I would still like to see that information.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we can provide the Member with the funding that we receive and administer and where that goes.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you. That will be nice. That will be a good comparison. I think I stated in the last session that there is $1 million for francophone language and $1.9 million for aboriginal languages, which works out to about $1,000 per francophone and about $100 per aboriginal. I would like to look at it differently from another table. I do not think that status has changed.

In the Akaitcho territory, there is a language strategy that has been developed. Mr. Miltenberger and I had met with Sabet Biscaye this morning to discuss it. Some of the information that was given to us was kind of disturbing. There was a letter that Mr. Miltenberger referred to earlier in the day, signed by Pauline Gordon, assistant deputy minister, Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Some of the words she used suggest that the funding is going to be reduced. There is no encouragement that funding is going to improve. We need funding to save our languages. The language is the key to culture. The culture of the Dene people is based on language. It is disturbing to see this. I will give you an example. I will read one quote;

"Where a reduction in funding is required due to a revision of the population estimates, 50 percent of this revision will be applied to next year's budget and full reduction will be applied to the following year's budget."

They are anticipating the budget being reduced, not increased. When we talk about the language community, what do we mean by that? Do we mean people that speak a language and it does not matter where they live? Or is it the community where a language is predominantly spoken? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I will ask Mr. Cleveland to address that question. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Cleveland.

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Cleveland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think there are two parts to the question. In terms of the allocation formula, what was done was the allocation, as I believe the letter points out, was based on the population statistics in the Territories. The population statistics could go up or down. I think the Member is correct to point out that in fact they could go up in a region as well as they could go down. We simply wanted to be clear in the correspondence that if there had to be an adjustment, it would not happen all at once. It would be phased over time. That would be true if it was reduced. That was the intention, I believe, of that clause. As the Member correctly points out, it could go up as well as down.

With respect to the second part of the question, when we discussed the matter with representatives from the various languages, before we set up the allocation formula, they pointed out to us that the relative health of languages differs across the Territories. They suggested that we allocate the funding based on the number of people in the aboriginal communities as opposed to who spoke the language or did not speak the language. That is why the percentage by population was used as opposed to language speakers or the other. We expect that language activities will vary between groups simply because of health of language or the appropriate language activity. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Cleveland. Mr. Nitah.