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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Another concern in regard to airports is they are talking about opening up the polar routes for international flights that will be flying directly overhead. I am wondering, in regard to that issue, do we have to do anything to deal with the amount of air traffic that will be flying overhead? Also, do we have the capability, if we have an emergency where there has to be aircraft landing at any one of our airports in the Northwest Territories, do we have the capacity or the ability for these airports to land on the runways we have now in the Northwest Territories?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will direct the question to the deputy.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Vician.

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Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are not directly involved in the polar route assessment for air services. The responsibility is currently being led by Nav Canada, a non-profit organization set up under the federal legislation. Nav Canada is working with a number of international agencies from Russia and from China, and from other locations to establish polar routes. Studies have been conducted in terms of the viability of establishing polar route traffic between North America and Asia. Some of those studies have been published as recently as just before Christmas.

There are many technical and economic issues that play a part in the decision for airlines to pursue a polar route. In most cases, what we are dealing with here are long distance over-flights that originate in North America, predominantly in the United States, and travel over the North.

Nav Canada, in concert with Transportation Canada, is dealing with the other agencies that would have an interest in the administration of these polar routes, including the transport branch of the Transportation Safety Board, the issues that pertain to the Department of National Defence, for instance, the search and rescue operations, and of course other regulatory and economic groups under the Department of Industry.

Overall, it is a very complex issue that has been underway. It is not anticipated that we will see a significant change in the near future, but subject to all things lining up correctly from an economic perspective, it could happen in the next two years. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I asked another question with regard to the capability of our airports in the case of an emergency where we have some major aircraft, a 747 or what not, having to land. Are our runways long enough to be able to deal with such a situation where we have an emergency where an aircraft that large has to land? Do we have any airports that can handle such an aircraft?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Vician.

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Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this point, it appears, and this is from a preliminary indication, that some of our airports could be utilized for what is considered an emergency alternate in the event of an over-flight that requires a deviation to land for emergency purposes. Usually, the requirement is that the alternate be within 45 to 90 minutes of the flight route. In this case, airports such as Inuvik or Yellowknife could possibly be considered if an emergency situation prevailed. There is a complexity that would often require the dumping of fuel prior to landing. It would require the aircraft to be reconfigured before it could take off again, but we do have that potential.

Again, the decision for that would be up to the carrier to decide if that was a designated alternate for emergency purposes. At this point, we do not have specific services that could handle that kind of emergency at those airports. We have had an occasion, for instance, at Yellowknife, where we have managed to deal with the situation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Has the government or Department of Transportation, with regard to airports, considered the route that the Yukon is taking, where they have extended the airport at Whitehorse to allow for international flights to fly directly from Germany to Whitehorse, so they are able to take advantage of the tourism industry? Has the department done a study or looked at the possibility of having the ability to extend some of our airports and what the costs would be to, say, add a couple of thousand more feet to the runways to allow for these international flights to land in Yellowknife or Inuvik, definitely Inuvik?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. I am not sure if that has anything to do with the detail here, but Mr. Minister, would you like to respond to that?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, we are aware of this particular situation where other communities are in fact making proposals that they would be available as an alternate site, alternate route or landing site. Also, they are suggesting that they would be available for consideration for over the top stops. I believe Anchorage and Whitehorse have put forward this type of suggestion.

The department has been analyzing all this. At this time, we are well aware of the potential at some point in time whereby possibly Yellowknife would be considered as an international stop. However, as the deputy has stated earlier, it is a complex situation and it may involve a fair amount of investment in order to be considered as an international stop.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Page 10-11, airport, budget summary, operations expense. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Getting back to airport safety, I know that Mr. Krutko has expressed concern for international travellers, but my concern right now is to take care of the people in the Northwest Territories. I would like to know who would be liable if there is an unfortunate incident. If it happens that a plane crashes in the community and there is property damage and, God forbid, if there is human suffering and death, I would like to know who would be liable at that point in time, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, could I ask the deputy to respond?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Vician.

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Vician

Mr. Chairman, I would have difficulty answering a hypothetical liability case, but I can assure the House that the department, through its government insurer, has liability conditions associated with the operation of the airport. I am further aware that in operating an aircraft in Canada, there is a requirement for appropriate liability protection. Presumably, depending on the nature of an incident, liability would be dealt with accordingly through whatever claims are made. I would be reserved here to speak to a hypothetical accident at this point. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would rather be dealing with a situation of a hypothetical manner than in a real manner. My concern is the possibility of this happening in one of our northern communities. Given our weather, our four seasons, our extreme weather in the winter and our unpredictable weather in the fall and spring, I think there is a possibility of this happening. The department may be insured to the gills, but that should not be used as a deterrent.

If the department is not willing to put permanent fire fighters onsite in communities that have high traffic volume, would they be committed to working with community fire fighters who are volunteering, and-or would the Department of RWED, who have professional firefighters in the forestry season near the airport in Lutselk'e, to work with them to see if they could come up with a training program that will at least have some capable people and equipment at the ground level in communities such as Lutselk'e? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, this particular situation has been around for a while, in particular when Transport Canada pulled the support for fire fighters in the larger airports. The department then started working with MACA in coming up with some kind of training programs for the local fire fighters in the communities, whereby they could have some form of training to respond to aircraft crashes or fires at the airports. We have been working with MACA on this. I understand MACA has been working with the communities on this as well.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a transportation issue, I guess we are punting it over to Municipal and Community Affairs. MACA is responsible for community fire fighters who volunteer their services. Does the department not know if they have supplied MACA with the right equipment, or if MACA has done any of this training at all?

As far as I am aware, there has never been any training done in this area or of this nature. Can the department elaborate a little bit more, rather than saying that the department is committed to working with MACA on this? Thank you.