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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I am aware that some communities did in fact have fire fighting equipment to respond to crashes in the form of foam or dry chemicals. This in fact was some equipment that was turned over from Transport Canada, that was turned over to Arctic airports at the time.

The training that goes with this, there was no funding from Transport Canada in regard to training local fire fighters in the communities to handle this equipment, so it fell on MACA and the community to try and resolve the problem by supplying some form of training to handle this equipment.

However, this is a voluntary service that they have in these communities, and it is not always available on a 24-hour notice. Therefore, there is a problem of having the equipment or the fire fighters respond to situations at the airports.

MACA has tried, I know, to work with the communities to address the situation through the training that was available under their programs, but the communities still felt there was a need to have some form of training to actually respond to a fire at the airports. To my knowledge, the process is still ongoing and I do not know at what stage it is sitting.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It would be good to get the information on where the process is at. Which communities they are going to be targeting, how they are going to be targeting, which equipment is going to be used, et cetera. I would like to concentrate on the department's responsibility in the areas of airport maintenance. Where does the responsibility lie for maintaining the airports in the small communities?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, all of our airports are subject to inspections by Transport Canada. They set the standards and we maintain the airports to those standards, either directly through our own force or through contracts with the communities.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Does the department take as consideration the contractors' ability, not only through experience of personnel, time of availability of personnel the contractor has, the equipment the personnel uses to maintain the airports? An example I will use is the Lutselk'e airport. The town foreman does the airport. He is contracted. He is working for the band. I would imagine that Transportation has the contract with the band.

However, because of this individual's other responsibilities in the community, he is really stretched for time and the equipment that he is using is old MACA equipment, such as an old loader that sat in the bottom of the Bay of Lutselk'e over winter. It has been put back together piecemeal, and all of the gadgets are not working. If that particular piece of equipment goes down, then there is no other equipment that could replace it. I am just wondering if the department takes special consideration of these issues prior to awarding the contract to individuals or organizations within the community.

Like I said before and I will say again, Mr. Chairman, some of these communities, the only lifeline to that community is one airport. The department should take special considerations and keep that in mind when awarding contracts and doing business in those communities. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. I do not know if there was a question there, or a suggestion more or less, mostly comments. Do you want to respond, Mr. Minister?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I will ask Mr. Vician to respond to that.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you. Mr. Vician.

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Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In communities where contracts are signed with, for example, community councils for the provision of airport maintenance, the regional staff meet on a regular basis with the community representatives with regard to the operation of the airport to ensure they are aware of the requirements under the contract and what the requirements for the airport maintenance would be.

Equipment is assessed, personnel are assessed. In addition to that, the department, through arrangements with Aurora College, provides for airport maintainer training. Those training opportunities are provided to community employees through the department and with Aurora College for ongoing airport maintenance.

Overall, the standards are very high. I can say that on our airports with community councils and hamlets in the Northwest Territories, the operation is very good. We have been very pleased with the operation at the local level. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Page 10-11, airports, budget summary, operations expense, total operations expense, $19,217,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Page 10-13, information item, airports, grants and contributions.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Page 10-15, highways, budget summary, operations expense, total operations expense, $35,141,000. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister exactly what is he doing to attempt to link as many communities as we can to our present road system, so that we can expand our transportation links to communities, so that we can eventually have a system in the North where we have the ability to drive from the majority of our communities who are accessible to our highway systems.

There may be some communities we may not be able to access, such as Holman Island or Sachs Harbour, because they are on an island, but eventually maybe we can give them ferry service.

When we do strategies or initiatives in this government, we should be looking long term. I think the goals we set for ourselves should be at some point in time in the future. We do have a road system that every resident in the Northwest Territories has the ability to drive from as many communities as possible so that we have a system that connects our communities by roads.

When will the Minister's department consider looking at doing that, knowing that we have 2,200 kilometres of highway and winter roads of some 1,400 kilometres? Will the department consider looking at the possibility of such a strategy, knowing we are having problems now with our winter systems because of the greenhouse effects?

Right now, looking outside, you can see the temperatures we are having in December, January and even in February. Has your department considered looking at such an endeavour with regard to the different strategies that you have been doing?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I believe the Member is referring to our Highway Investment Strategy. Through that strategy, we have plans to construct all-weather roads in the Mackenzie Valley to the Beaufort Sea. This would serve to connect those communities in that area to the highway system.

We have identified in the Highway Investment Strategy future investments. At the time the strategy was put in place, the department and this government had a very limited source of funding that we could direct towards that type of construction. It does put the department in a position where we cannot address all the needs that have been identified by everyone in the Territories.

In particular, as you get further and further off the general route, some of these routes that are being suggested now were just possibilities at the time we put the Highway Strategy together. I think it would be beneficial that we looked at this Highway Strategy as a living document rather than simply something that is written in stone. I think we are looking at this document as something that would be reviewed on an ongoing basis. That would probably address the needs that some Members have brought up here.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will the Minister consider looking at the possibility of doing a study or an evaluation to see what the possibility is of linking communities in my riding? Aklavik has for years wanted an all-weather road. Communities like Wha Ti...sure we have a winter road up the valley where the people have been pushing for an all-weather road from Wrigley all the way up to Tuktoyaktuk. These talks have been going on, but it seems like the strategy that has been done to date, the Non-Renewable Resource Strategy and the Highway Strategy, is more looking at the non-renewable sector.

If the Minister is open, I would strongly encourage the Minister and his department to take this on and look at the possibility of doing a scenario of what the actual cost will be to link our communities to our highway systems, so we could eventually have an all-weather road system connecting the majority of the communities in the Northwest Territories. Will the Minister consider looking at that as a possibility down the road?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I think it would be beneficial to everyone if the department could approach the federal government as another option for funding for access roads or all-weather roads into communities that are not on the existing highway system.

As the Member stated, we seem to be addressing more the need for new roads to serve industry. Maybe there is a need for an approach where we approach the federal government for funding to do surveys into supplying all-weather roads into those communities that are not involved in any kind of economic activities such as mining or oil and gas.

I would be happy to take the Member's comments and look into what process we could use to approach the federal government on this. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Krutko.