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Supplementary To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that has been the problem all along, where we have been disassociating ourselves from the federal government. It has always been them and us and I think we as a government with responsibility for health and social services and to ensure programs and services to all residents of the Northwest Territories should not be splitting people up because of race, creed or whatever.

I would like to ask the Minister, when will she have an idea of what the actual pay levels will be and what cost is the federal government willing to pay? Thank you

Supplementary To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Further Return To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated earlier, what I will do is communicate with the dental association and find out where they are exactly in terms of their negotiations with the federal government on their fee schedule. Dental services to all residents of the NWT is not currently an insured health program which this government offers. The dental plan which is offered to the beneficiaries of NIHB, status Indians and Inuit, is a federal insurance program. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Your final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister commit to try to formulate the different programs so that it is more balanced? You have the non-insured health benefits program, you have the Metis health benefit program and you have a program that is general for everyone. Will you somehow try to consolidate those so that everybody is treated on the same footing?

Supplementary To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Further Return To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a very big question because there are all different types of insurance coverage that come into play here. A lot of residents of the Northwest Territories, for example, are covered for a variety of health insurance under their employers' insurance coverage. Some insurance is for extended health benefits which pertain to chronic illnesses that not everyone has. It is very difficult to offer a simple answer to that question. However, I would be prepared to prepare a spreadsheet for the Members to show them exactly what the different insurance coverages are, who pays for them, who is entitled to them, and maybe that would be a good place to start. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Question 462-14(3): Funding Non-insured Dental Benefits
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs. My question deals with treaty and aboriginal rights, Mr. Speaker.

Non-insured health benefits is a treaty right. Under the treaties that were signed in 1900 and 1921, Treaty 8 and 11, and reviewed later with the Inuit people of the Northwest Territories, the federal government is to pay for certain items in the area of health and education. Is it under the responsibility of the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs to protect aboriginal rights in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs is responsible for coordinating the Government of the Northwest Territories' activities in land claims and self-government negotiations, and it is also involved in implementation of the agreements that are reached. We are aware of the treaty and aboriginal rights that aboriginal and treaty people have in the North and make sure that they are there, but we are not responsible for those rights. It is a federal responsibility. That is where we want to make sure it remains at this present time. Thank you.

Return To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. So am I to understand that there is no ministry or department or agency within the GNWT that protects aboriginal and treaty rights for half the population of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the treaties that the honourable Member mentioned, Treaties 8 and 11, were signed between the aboriginal First Nations in the North here and the Crown, which is the federal government. The federal government has the fiduciary responsibility for First Nations they have signed treaties with.

We are the Government of the Northwest Territories, which is a creation of the federal Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. The treaty and aboriginal rights are the responsibility of the federal government. You know, as well as do many people, that for many years the treaty and aboriginal organizations kept saying that this government is not their government. They say that because they do not see their treaty being signed with us. Their treaty was signed with the federal government.

This is where the negotiations take place, trying to deal with the land and resources and self-government arrangements. They have to meet with the federal government and get that process going with the federal government. We are a third party to that table. In that way, it is the responsibility of the federal government to deal with the treaty issues. Thank you

Further Return To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Minister for Aboriginal Affairs plays a coordinating role in negotiations of land claims. The land claims are based on treaty and aboriginal rights in terms of self-government negotiations, and non-insured health benefits before that. Is it the responsibility of the ministry to consult aboriginal First Nations when the erosion of non-insured health benefits starts happening through the contractual arrangements with this government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the health transfer took place in 1988. Prior to that, the federal government was responsible for health in the Northwest Territories, especially to treaty and aboriginal people. Once the federal government negotiated the transfer of the health programs to this government back in 1988, the non-insured health benefits, which are the benefits for treaty and Inuit people, also went into the mix. It was not transferred to this government.

However, there was no existing body to run this program. In consultation with the aboriginal groups, the Dene Nation and the Inuit of the day were fully aware and involved in the decision for this government to run the program. This government has been running this program and we are paying up front for the services provided to treaty and Inuit people. We send the bill to the feds and they have not been paying the full amount of our expenditures. This has been going on for a number of years.

The reason for the Minister of Health taking the position that she has taken with regard to the non-insured health benefits is to try to give notice that this is a problem that we cannot go on with. We are fighting, in fact, and trying to retain the non-insured health benefits. This is the only mechanism that we have. We keep on doing it with the eroding situation, or do we put it out there, saying if this is the case then the feds should take it back and run it the way they should?

We are in fact doing it, and this is in consultation with the Dene Nation and the other aboriginal groups in the North. We are consulting with them already. I think they are fully aware of what we are doing. I think this awareness has to be broader, to all the chiefs and councils, that this is a benefit that is there for treaty and Inuit people, and that there are some problems with it. The problems are not stemming from us as a government of the Northwest Territories, but are coming from the federal government.

Yes, we are going to do everything we can to try to make sure we retain this benefit for the treaty and Inuit people. Thank you. Mahsi.

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you. I am happy to hear the commitment that the government will do everything it can. The erosion of non-insured health benefits and all the stuff that the federal government does to the people of the Northwest Territories and this government, there is a problem then, and that is a question that has to be answered by another Minister.

The non-insured health benefits was to be transferred back to the federal government. There was no consultation process planned. Again I ask, who is responsible for consulting the aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories when non-insured health benefits gets eroded?

Supplementary To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there was some negotiation between the Department of Health with the different appropriate aboriginal governments, but if the honourable Member is requesting that a fuller consultation be undertaken, then we are prepared to do that as well. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Question 463-14(3): Protection Of Aboriginal Treaty Rights
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Merci, Mr. Minister. Le temp pour questions orales tout fini. The time for question period has ended. Responses a des questions ecrites. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. The honourable Member for the Sahtu, Mr. Kakfwi.

Reply 4-14(3)
Item 9: Replies To The Opening Address

March 5th, 2001

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in 1983, I was elected as the president of the Dene Nation. That was in September of 1983. There was coverage of the election across Canada on CBC TV, radio and in some of the newspapers.

A few days after I took office, I was in the office of the Dene Nation. Two of the secretaries who worked in the Dene Nation office knocked on the door and asked, with a rather amused look on their face, if I knew a Ms. Victoria Douglas from Vancouver. They said she was on the phone and she says she knows you. I was surprised and excited about it. I said yes, I know her. She used to be my kindergarten teacher. I would like to talk to her. They said sure, as if they were rather amused at this explanation I gave for this call from a lady in Vancouver. Obviously, Victoria Douglas had read an article in the newspaper and decided to call me.

Mr. Speaker, we met in the summer of 1955. At the time, she was 33 years old and married with two children. I was four-and-a-half years old. She had come to teach in Fort Good Hope while her husband, Jim Douglas, worked at the radio station, or the communications station, with the army signal corps. Her youngest son, David, was three-and-a-half years old at the time. David and I became best friends during the years they were there, from 1955 until 1958. This was a time when my mother was hospitalized in Aklavik. It was those three years that Victoria Douglas and her family came to live in Fort Good Hope.

During many parts of those three years, I spent a lot of my time at the Douglas residence playing and visiting David after school until my father came to take me home after work. Victoria helped my family by taking care of me for parts of those days. The first year, 1955, both David and I, because there was no one to keep us either at his home or mine, literally just hung around the school while his mother taught and my father worked as a janitor in the school. Apparently, the second year that David was there, he and I were in something called kindergarten, whatever that meant back in Fort Good Hope in those days. It was non-existent, but this is what his mother had said.

The winters were bitter cold back then and our own little home was cozy when our woodstove was blazing, but the floor was always cold. My father worked all day at the school and cooked for us and made sure we had enough wood to keep warm. Someone had to haul and cut the wood, wash and mend the clothes, cook and clean the house. There was too much for my father to do by himself and many of our relatives and friends helped out, but I remember those years that everybody faced hardship. In fact, those were the years when there was no caribou to be found. The trapping industry had bottomed out.

As well, many of the families had mothers, fathers, aunts and uncles and grandparents away at distant hospitals being treated for tuberculosis, many of them for one to three years at a stretch. In the summer and fall, we would haul water by pail from the creek below our house. In the winter, we hauled snow and blocks of ice for a supply of water. Wood was always a problem. Even after my father bought a small oil-burning heater for our log home, we still needed wood for our wood-burning stove to do our cooking and to keep our house warm enough, especially during the cold months of the winter.

When my father was home, he would make sure the gasoline lanterns were full and lit so that our home would be bright. Otherwise, when we were alone, we lit candles until he came home.

During those dark, cold months of those winters, the school, as I remember it, where Victoria Douglas taught and where my father worked, was an exceptionally warm and brightly lit place, a great place to play where the floors were warm.

The house where Victoria Douglas lived, where I visited and played during those years with her son David, was also a warm, brightly lit place and a fun place to be. That house still stands today in Fort Good Hope on the hillside by the river facing south towards the ramparts. David and his older brother Bobby had toys, lots of toys, and comics. I remember there seemed to be toys and comics everywhere. Every room was an adventure. The school and Victoria's house were warm, safe and fun places to be.

My grandparents' log home was also a great place to visit. There was always a fire going, food cooking and the smell of pipe tobacco in the air. It was a great, safe place, but no toys and no comics.

My father's young sister, my Aunt Bella, worked for a while as a nanny and a housekeeper for the Douglas family, which gave me even more reason to hang around and spend time at the Douglas residence.

Victoria, her husband and her boys left Fort Good Hope in 1958. Bobby was born in 1946. David was born in Fort Smith in 1950. Mark was born in Aklavik while the family lived in Fort Good Hope in 1956. I often used to wonder where they went and what kind of people they turned out to be and if I would ever see them again. Were they the good people I remembered in my memories?

I always wanted to see Victoria again so I could tell her how special she was in my life and to thank her for her kindness at a time when I needed someone to be there. I wanted to see David again to tell him how many great memories I had of our friendship and our adventures together as young boys so long ago.

In March of 1998, I contacted a fellow who had retired from the armed forces, a Ken Slater from Edmonton, who had spoken on CBC Radio about his time during his service in the Northwest Territories in the late 1940s. Mr. Slater passed on photos to me at that time of his time in Fort Good Hope. As well, he helped me contact Victoria Douglas. I found her in June of that year, 40 years after she left Fort Good Hope. She was 76 and in the hospital, the George Pearson Hospital in Vancouver, with Lou Gehrig's disease. We had our first visit that month of June. She was quite ill, but still looked beautiful and more like 40, not 76.

We talked for about three hours and had enough time to tell each other our life stories. I visited as well with David and his younger brother, Mark. I met their wives, Judy and Karen, and I also met their children. They plan to visit Yellowknife and Fort Good Hope this summer, and they will be working with me on a project to present photos and home movies that would be converted to a VHS format to donate to the people of the Northwest Territories those things that they have collected in the form of pictures, photos, and film during the time they lived in the Northwest Territories.

I visited Victoria as often as I could over the next two-and-a-half years as she slowly lost her ability to speak and move. I saw her on June 24th last year for the last time as I went to Vancouver to say goodbye to her. I told her I would remember her and speak of her in this Assembly as the little boy from Fort Good Hope she had so positively influenced so many years ago, and to thank her, in front of all of you and everyone in the Northwest Territories.

She was my first teacher, a friend and a supporter, and the mother of my best friend. I promised her that I would make certain that this contribution that I felt she made would be made part of the permanent record of this Assembly. I wanted her to know she had made a difference, and to answer the question that was asked of me in 1983. Yes, I knew of Victoria Douglas, and it has made me a better person for that.

Mr. Speaker, earlier this week there was a commentary in a radio show by a teacher, Mike, who spoke about all of his ambitions and how much he wanted to make a difference in the lives of the students, in the families, and the community he was teaching in. It was a touching piece on the radio in the morning. He compelled me to finish writing this article, because I wanted to say to the teachers and social workers, the nurses, doctors, caregivers and all of the people out there who give so much of themselves daily and find something inside of themselves, being able to reach out to those in need.

To the people who find it in their hearts to show compassion for those in need, I thank you. You do make a difference. I hope all of the little people whose lives you touched have the same opportunity as I had, in my special way, to say thank you. Thank you for allowing me to speak today. Thank you.

-- Applause