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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Rattray.

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Rattray

Mr. Chairman, the first step would be to approach NorthwesTel and request those services, some of which we expect will be coming forth in the next few years as a result of the decision that the CRTC made with respect to the service improvement plan that NorthwesTel had put forward. With respect to cellular service, that is not an area which is considered to be basic services. NorthwesTel makes its decisions on providing those services strictly on a business-case basis.

My understanding is that in the Member's area, they are expanding their coverage because the increased oil and gas activity up there has generated a sufficient level of business activity for them, so they can afford to put in the infrastructure to provide those services.

With respect to the additional services, for example voice messaging services, call forwarding services and so on, those are services that the CRTC was looking at as being part of the basic service package, but did not completely fund all of the service level improvements it would require in order to put those in all communities in the Northwest Territories. They will be available in some communities, but I cannot tell you off the top of my head which ones those are.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Rattray. Mr. Lafferty.

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a question just along the lines of Mr. Roland's. Communities that want cellular phone service, if NorthwesTel does not want to offer it, is it open for other competitors to come into a community to offer it?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Rattray.

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Rattray

Mr. Chairman, yes, my understanding is other companies can bring that service in.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Rattray. We are on page 5-15, systems and communications, operations expense. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of Internet access for government departments, does the department monitor what type of sites are being accessed? Is there any kind of firewall that is in place that would limit access to sites that might not be work-related?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Rattray.

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Rattray

Mr. Chairman, no, our department is not doing that. Some departments have implemented that internally and do some monitoring themselves, but that is left up to individual departments to decide whether there is a need for that.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Rattray. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would this be difficult to do on a government-wide basis? I have been told the hardware is fairly easy to set up to provide some restrictions on on-site access.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Rattray.

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Rattray

Mr. Chairman, it sounds like the Member may know more about the technical details than I do. Off hand, I cannot say how involved technically it is. I suspect that it can be done. Again, I understand that in some specific cases, departments have decided this is a step they wanted to take. It may be possible to do it on a government-wide basis.

Our approach to date has been that relatively recently we communicated with staff our expectations in terms of what is the valid business use of Internet. Employees were required to actually sign a copy of an acknowledgement that they received and read a copy of the guidelines for use of the Internet and e-mail services. It is certainly the expectation that the majority of staff are using those tools in an appropriate manner. If there is abuse, it is a very small percentage that would actually do that. Whether or not it is worth our while to put in a government-wide system to check that is something we will continually re-evaluate.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Rattray. Page 5-15, systems communications, operations expense, total operations expense, $401,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Page 5-17, petroleum products. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

With regard to the Minister's comments on petroleum products and how there is a review going on regarding the Power Corporation and the consideration of privatization, I have a problem where you have a Crown corporation or a company that has some $200 million of assets that they can use trying to compete against a community band or corporation that wants to take over such initiatives. It is a government institution, and when you talk about privatization, privatization means that you are trying to give something to the private sector, but in this case, it is to a corporation that is owned by this government.

From the way the Minister stated it, we are waiting to see how we compare the Power Corporation's proposals to the community's proposals. By that statement alone, I feel it is an imbalance.

You have a corporation that has resources and people in-house who can assist them and capital where they are able to capitalize on these opportunities. When you talk about Fort McPherson or Tsiigehtchic where you have a company such as the co-op or the band corporation, who may presently run a gas station and wants to expand to provide another service, then it automatically gives a disadvantage to the smaller operator because you are competing against a multi-million dollar corporation.

I feel that privatization should be kept within the domain of a community and a band corporation for them to build the expertise and for them to expand an existing business they may already have. How critical is it that the Power Corporation is even involved in this process?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I suppose the main advantage to take a firm as big as the Power Corporation would be economies of scale. Other than that, the other factors come into play, like comments made by the Member would be taken into consideration. Whether or not there was political support for the Power Corporation taking on the work is an important factor.

Like I said earlier, regardless of what firm is applying for privatization, whether it is the Power Corporation or whether it is a small firm, they have to have the critical support that is required, community support as well as MLA support. That is what the Power Corporation is up against. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So is the Minister stating that if they do not have political support, they will not be able to take over petroleum products in a community?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I am not sure if I understand the question. Is it that the Power Corporation will not be able to take over services in the small communities without the support of the community? I said that is one of the major factors that would be involved in whether they get it or not.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.