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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. How soon will the Minister or the department have an answer back to us in regards to the concern of the leases? Are we going to be in or out? Will it be in a short time or is that a couple of years down the road?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Given the length of time in the existing leases, I anticipate it will be 18 months or so down the road. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Does the department have to give notice in those leases that you will not be extending them in the next short while?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Not within the next short while, no. Should that decision be made in due course after full consideration, then we would comply with the requirements of the leases in terms of notice. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

A question to the Minister, is there anything happening or going to happen with the communities in regard to expansion or what not at other health centres, so the communities could take on more resource people? We can have people working out of the health centre so you have more room. One of the concerns you hear from the health professions is there seems to be a lot of concerns when you have clinics or when you have a doctor in the health centre.

A lot of times, most of the offices in the clinics are usually taken up by someone else and it does cause a problem with delivery in regards to privacy with the patient, the doctor and what not.

Is the department looking at anything to see if there is a need or an expansion in the different centres to ensure that we are able to deliver all services in all our communities, so that we are not compelled by the restriction of having not enough space within our health centres?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the existing capital plan was done on current service levels. We are currently reviewing the service delivery model and the core service document. If there is a change, then the capital plan will be adjusted accordingly. At present, a lot of the major capital renovations are based on the current level of service and things like the half-life of the existing facilities and the requirements needed to maintain and preserve the investment that we have in the existing facilities. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, that is exactly the concern because if you use the current level of services, it does not allow you the room to expand to take on other services, especially in our small communities.

One thing that you seem to have in regard to health and social services, you are always battling with the department to look at the forecast, say ten or 20 years down the road, for these facilities and the population growth in our communities. If you use that scenario, the communities will never be able to have a facility to serve the needs of the communities 20 or 30 years down the road.

Will you consider looking at reviewing the whole way you allocate space within health centres, to ensure we do have the capacity when you have a doctor or dentist in the health centre? At any one time, you are fighting over space because the scenario you just explained is exactly that, only for existing services. What about future services? Do we have the capacity to take those on?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Member raises a good point. As I indicated, we are in the process of trying to identify in a very clear way the service delivery model that we think is the most appropriate for the health and social services system as it applies across the Northwest Territories. Should that be an increase from the current service levels, then yes, we will be looking at the functional reviews that were done of the facilities we now have, with an eye to complying with the new service delivery model, should it be different from the current level of service. Yes, that will be there. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Krutko. I now have Ms. Lee. Mr. Dent, do you have...?

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Sorry, Mr. Chairman. I was wondering, are we on page 6-18 yet?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Page 6-17. We are still on page 6-17, Mr. Dent. Budget summary, operations expense, total operations expense, $103,466,000. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am told that this motion would be in order on this page, although I thought we were going to do it when we talked about out-of-territories hospitals on the next page. As the Minister and Members will be aware, the Standing Committee on Social Programs examined the issue of the nurses that work on behalf of the Northwest Territories for Capital Health in Edmonton. While we know and have been told that they provide excellent services on behalf of northern residents, we were of the opinion that it was worth taking a look at whether or not they should be direct employees of this government to ensure that they were looking out not just for the patients, but also the interests of the government. To that end, I would like to present a motion on behalf of the committee.

Committee Motion 2-14(5): Capital Health Authority Nurses (carried)
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February 24th, 2002

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

I MOVE that this committee recommends that the Department of Health and Social Services examine the costs and benefits of hiring our own nurses to deliver the programs that are presently provided by nurses employed by the Capital Health Authority. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. I do not recognize a quorum. I will now ring the bell.

-- Ringing of Bells

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Question has been called. All those for the motion? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Budget summary, operations expense, total operations expense, $103,466,000. Page 6-18, program delivery, details. Page 6-19, health services programs. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, on page 6-18, there is a significant increase in the total program expenditures, almost $10 million. What are the biggest drivers of this increase?

Committee Motion 2-14(5): Capital Health Authority Nurses (carried)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, with all the rustling of paper, I missed the question. I am sorry.