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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. I will call upon the deputy chair for the GED Committee, Ms. Lee, for comments. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development reviewed Bill 11, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act, at its meeting on May 9th, 2002. This bill amends the Liquor Act to permit raffle tickets to be sold or drawn on licensed premises. The amendment will also allow raffle tickets to be sold or drawn and Nevada tickets to be sold or drawn on licensed premises where the liquor license holder has a lottery license to do so. In this case, the liquor license holder is required to comply with the Lotteries Act and regulations.

The committee would like to thank the Honourable Joe Handley, Minister of Finance, his officials, and those of the Department of Justice who appeared before the committee to present the bill and respond to the issues raised by the committee.

During discussions on Bill 11, some committee members expressed concern regarding the apparent piecemeal changes that were being proposed to the Liquor Act. Committee members may have additional comments or questions on this legislation during the review in committee of the whole.

During the public hearing, a motion was proposed and the Minister concurred with the motion to further clarify the definition of lottery license. This concludes the committee's comments on Bill 11, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Would the Minister care to bring in any witnesses? Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Sergeant-at-Arms, would you please escort the witnesses in? Mr. Handley, for the record, please introduce your witnesses.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With me are Margaret Melhorn, deputy minister of Finance; Joe La Ferla, manager of policy and planning for Finance; and Diane Buckland, legislative counsel with the Department of Justice.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. I will open the floor to general comments. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to make a short comment. As the Member for Range Lake in Yellowknife, I was one of the Members who was contacted by members of the general public who had learned, by a visit from the liquor inspector, that something they had been doing for a long, long time to raise money for a social cause was deemed to be illegal. I believe it had to do with the raffling off of a turkey for Easter in one of the licensed premises in my riding.

I am in complete agreement with the purpose and spirit of this legislation and the fact that something that everyone believed to be something very benign and a legal act was deemed to be illegal, and this will now make everyone law-abiding citizens.

I would just like to state my support for this legislative amendment and also thank the Minister and his staff for moving quickly to correct what appeared to be a legislative gap or misunderstanding in the legislation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. No questions there, but would you like to respond to any of those comments, Mr. Handley?

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, no, I do not have a response. I appreciate the comments. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, one thing as this was being considered and through comments from the committee, as the Minister stated in his opening comments, there was a concern that in communities where they have the authority under the Lotteries Act, they can establish more restrictive regimes if they felt it was necessary. I think this was an important move to recognize that communities in some cases might not want to see something like this and they will have the ability to impose it.

One thing I wanted pointed out from the Minister and probably his staff is an important part of the provision of Bill 11, as the Minister stated, that will allow communities that have been delegated authority under the Lotteries Act to impose more restrictive regimes. Under Bill 11, as I read the amendments, it is reflecting the purposes of the tickets, the raffle tickets and so on. Can we get clarification on that?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, I will have my deputy, Margaret Melhorn, answer that question.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Ms. Melhorn.

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Melhorn

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under clause 2, where it refers to: "The following is added under subsection 98.2" 2.1(b) indicates that it is allowable unless the sale is otherwise prohibited under the Lotteries Act. If a community has been delegated authority under the Lotteries Act and passes a more restrictive bylaw, that would then otherwise be restricted under the Lotteries Act, or prohibited under the Lotteries Act.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Melhorn. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the department for that. So then already existing in the Lotteries Act is a regime that is set up so that a community that has been delegated the authority can bring in a more restrictive regime. That is already built into the Lotteries Act as it sits? Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Ms. Melhorn.

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Melhorn

That is correct.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

General comments. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would be remiss if I did not express some of my colleague's concern when it comes to the Liquor Act. I know this particular bill is responding or reacting to the act that does not allow for liquor establishments to help the social causes of the community, but it is a reaction and a piecemeal solution to an overall need to revisit the entire act.

Mr. Krutko has said many times in the House and in committee, and I concur with Mr. Krutko, that the act needs to be a little more flexible to allow communities to decide how liquor will be consumed in the communities. The act needs to reflect the desires of the community. I believe 60 percent of the population of a community is going to have to turn out to vote in favour of any changes to the Liquor Act or bylaws associated with the consumption of alcohol in the communities. That is one part.

The other part, which I will take this opportunity to express my concern on, is the lack of facilities in the Northwest Territories where people can go and get assistance in getting off their dependency on alcohol. As a government, we can very easily tax alcohol so that we could use the revenues for whatever reason in the Northwest Territories. It is easy to tax things like cigarettes and alcohol because socially, they are not that acceptable, so it is easy to get the consensus of the people, the masses.

If we are not going to do good with those revenues, such as establishing more treatment centres and staffing them adequately, then as far as I am concerned, Mr. Chairman, we are using liquor as just another easy form of revenue generation. I think this is one area that could be targeted. If any revenues from taxes on liquor and/or cigarettes can be put towards helping people deal with their alcohol problems, which are systemic in a lot of social issues such as lack of housing, lack of education, poor quality of health, children not being able to graduate or do well in school, those could all be targeted towards the consumption of alcohol and the inadequacy of the programs that we deliver as a government.

I would like to ask the Minister, are there are plans by Cabinet or by the government to review the Liquor Act so that we can utilize that act more effectively for the betterment of the people of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. I would suggest that we have gone a bit beyond the scope of this bill here, but I will allow the Minister to respond. Mr. Handley.