This is page numbers 717 - 740 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was policy.

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Return To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the question was to see what kind of savings or what kind of proof we have that there are going to be some cost savings. Like I said in my earlier statements, Mr. Speaker, we would like to wait until the bids are closed to try to gauge the amount of bids coming in. We will determine at that time whether what we are doing here is the right move.

The idea here is to try to finish this facility here in Yellowknife that is needed. This facility is needed in Yellowknife. The current facility has already exceeded its optimum life. That is the original intention here and we want to keep on doing that but we are just trying to find a different way to see if we can do the same thing for the price that is within our budget. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It does not matter how many times we ask. What we are getting is because it is costing too much and the cost is out of control, we have to throw this policy out the window. It is missing the middle part. They have to be able to say because throwing this out the window will show us that we are going to save $2 million or $3 million or $4 million. What is really alarming is that Cabinet is not even establishing any criteria on what basis they will throw a policy out the window. Would they throw the Affirmative Action Policy out the window, for example, hoping that maybe we could do something better?

What other policies are there? There are hundreds of policies in government, and we have Cabinet saying, "We are going to throw it out the window but we do not know what the benefit would be, but we know it is going to help. We think it is going to help. Let's just see what happens."

What is the criteria on this government throwing out a policy?

Supplementary To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

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Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the project, the North Slave Correctional Facility, which is in Yellowknife, we have funded the first phase of it. We came back here to the Legislative Assembly two months ago. We asked for another $5.6 million in supplementary funding towards the overall price of this project to date.

The importance and the need for this facility in Yellowknife dictates that we may do so again, if we stuck to the BIP, and the estimates of the second phase also indicates that we are going to be way above our budget. That dictated that we were asked to come back to this House for additional dollars to finish this facility here in Yellowknife.

We cannot do so in good conscience without first assuring the honourable Members that all possible options have been explored. The decision to remove the BIP was made to increase the competitiveness of this bid and to broaden the base of companies bidding on the completion of this project.

There are very few companies in the North who could bid on these huge projects, very few. Some of them are grandfathered. Due to the boom in the economy, southern workers and southern supplies are used by the BIP companies anyway, so why do you not have faith and let's try this out? Are we all stuck on BIP?

That is the whole debate. Should we keep BIP or not? Like I said in my other statement, yes, we are reviewing the BIP policy. I think it is one area, one project that we see as Cabinet, let's try this method. We cannot prove to the honourable Member how many dollars we are going to save in this process. We have told you that a number of times already in the House. It is not confusing. Things are not in chaos. Things are under control. We are going to finish this facility here in Yellowknife. That is the intention of this government. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. A short supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know this is going to be in Yellowknife and we will get it done somehow. Mr. Speaker, costs in changing a policy like that has to involve more than just dollar costs. Look at the flip-flop. Why is this project made in such a way that it is so huge, it is $20 million, and the Minister keeps saying only one or two businesses in the Territories could do it? Why was it done that way? Why could that not have been done any other way so more northern businesses could take advantage of it?

Supplementary To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, details of why it was not done in a different way I think would be better explained by the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services, so I will refer the question to him. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services, the question has been referred to you, Mr. Steen.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe we said yesterday that we did it in this manner because it was a fast-track project. We decided that we would hire a project manager for this project. It is not an all-inclusive type of contract or tender that was let. It includes a number of different aspects of the project. Both phases are the same.

In phase one, it could have been as much as 20 different tenders put out for different aspects of the work. It was not just one or two. There were one or two large portions to it, but overall, it was broken down into quite a few different tenders. These tenders were put out by the project manager, PCL.

Some of these projects were in the million dollar range and they were quite large in relation to what is normally handled by local contractors, so therefore, they found themselves having to go south for materials, having to go south for manpower, for everything, because of the already inflated market. Everything became higher cost -- everything.

That is where the overall aspect of this is, that we are hoping that by waiving the BIP, we will get more bidders on the broken down portions of the contracts. Tenders will be let, and they are already let.

Some of these portions of the project, Mr. Speaker, there is no expertise in the Territory for that type of work. These people are coming from down south. We do not expect to gain anything in that aspect of the work. However, we feel that we may gain something on the electrical or the mechanical aspects of the projects, things like that where we may receive better bids. That is why we are doing what we are doing, but it is not one or two large contracts. It is broken down into many portions of the project. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Question 245-14(5): Impacts Of Bip Suspension
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The time for question period has ended. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine.

Tabled Document 35-14(5): Social Agenda: A Draft For People Of The NwtTabled Document 36-14(5): Northwest Territories Social Programs And Services, A Living InventoryTabled Document 37-14(5): Northwest Territories Recommendations On Social Issues, 1988-2002
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following three documents, entitled: Social Agenda, A Draft for People of the Northwest Territories; Northwest Territories Social Programs and Services, A Living Inventory; and Northwest Territories Recommendations on Social Issues, 1988-2002. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 35-14(5): Social Agenda: A Draft For People Of The NwtTabled Document 36-14(5): Northwest Territories Social Programs And Services, A Living InventoryTabled Document 37-14(5): Northwest Territories Recommendations On Social Issues, 1988-2002
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Item 13, tabling of documents. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Tabled Document 38-14(5): Yellowknifer Article Entitled "stanton Staff Speak," June 12, 2002Tabled Document 39-14(5): Yellowknifer Article Entitled "icu Closes Early," June 12, 2002
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table two articles from the Wednesday, June 12th edition of the Yellowknifer. One is entitled Stanton's Staff Speak, and the other, ICU Closes Early. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 38-14(5): Yellowknifer Article Entitled "stanton Staff Speak," June 12, 2002Tabled Document 39-14(5): Yellowknifer Article Entitled "icu Closes Early," June 12, 2002
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Motion 10-14(5): Tabled Document 35-14(5) Into Committee Of The Whole
Item 14: Notices Of Motion

June 11th, 2002

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Friday, June 14, 2002, I will move the following motion: I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River South, that Tabled Document 35-14(5), Social Agenda, A Draft for People of the NWT, be moved into committee of the whole for consideration. At the appropriate time, I will be seeking unanimous consent to deal with this motion today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 10-14(5): Tabled Document 35-14(5) Into Committee Of The Whole
Item 14: Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motion for the first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Motion 10-14(5): Tabled Document 35-14(5) Into Committee Of The Whole
Item 14: Notices Of Motion

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to deal with the motion I gave notice of earlier today.

Motion 10-14(5): Tabled Document 35-14(5) Into Committee Of The Whole
Item 14: Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, the honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to deal with his motion today. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Roland, you may proceed.

Motion 10-14(5): Tabled Document 35-14(5) Into Committee Of The Whole
Item 16: Motions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River South, that Tabled Document 35-14(5), Social Agenda, A Draft for People of the NWT, be moved into committee of the whole for discussion. Thank you.

Motion 10-14(5): Tabled Document 35-14(5) Into Committee Of The Whole
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland. We have a motion. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? Thank you. All those opposed? The motion is carried.

Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Bill 3, Bill 6, Bill 11, Minister's Statement 46-14(5), Minister's Statement 47-14(5) and Tabled Document 35-14(5), with Mrs. Groenewegen in the chair.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

I will call committee of the whole to order. We have a number of items before the committee today; Bill 3, An Act to Amend the Public Service Act; Bill 6, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act; Bill 11, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act; Minister's Statement 46-14(5); Minister's Statement 47-14(5) and Tabled Document 35-14(5). What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Roland.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The committee would like to consider Bill 3, Bill 6 and Bill 11 in that order, time permitting. Thank you.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Does the committee agree?