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Bill 32, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2002-2003
Revert To Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

I'd like to ask the Minister if he would like to have his witnesses. Mr. Antoine, do you have any opening remarks?

Minister's Opening Comments

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, and thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. Today we are considering Bill 22, Waste Recovery and Reduction Act. This proposed legislation responds to requests from individuals, environmental groups, municipalities and MLAs for this government to take action on reducing waste in our communities and environment. It provides a free work to develop waste recovery programs. It provides:

  • • the authority for the government to designate and collect recoverable materials;
  • • register and collect surcharges from distributors;
  • • create an environment fund which is a special purpose recovery reuse/recycling fund;
  • • establish guidelines for community collection depots and regional processing centres;
  • • do inspections and audit to monitor and enforce recovery programs; and,
  • • set out penalties for anyone not following the act and regulations.

The proposed legislation will allow the Government of the Northwest Territories to design and implement a beverage container recovery program. It also provides for a flexible recovery system that can, in consultation with NWT residents, grow and include other materials in the future, such as tires, computers, cardboard and batteries.

The public and stakeholders will be consulted during the development of any recovery programs because we recognize that the success of such programs depends on their participation and support.

The penalties and enforcement provisions contained in the Waste Recovery and Reduction Act address the industry concerns that all businesses making, importing, selling products included in the recovery program are treated equally. Through programs established by regulations, this proposed legislation will help us reduce the cost of handling and storing garbage at community landfills, maintain a clean environment and reduce greenhouse gas emissions by conserving resources.

I want to thank the Members of the Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development for their work in reviewing this bill. I look forward to hearing the Members' views on this legislation which adds to our efforts to protect our environment. Mahsi, Mr. Chairman.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Comments from the committee. Mr. Roland.

Standing Committee On Government And Economic Development Comments

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I don't have an official report as I and other committee Members took part in reading our report back on the review of Bill 22, Waste Recovery and Reduction Act, into the House yesterday.

Just in general, Mr. Chairman, there was general support from the large group of presenters that did come out to our public reviews that were held during the month of August and into September, finally concluding here in Yellowknife in this month of October.

There were four motions of a minor, non-substantive nature that were moved. We reported the bill as ready for Committee of the Whole as amended and reprinted and are prepared to go through this. As I stated, there was general support, but also some concerns with how the regulations would be formed. We were happy to hear the Minister state that he would have the advisory board or committee work with the department in possibly helping with the setup of regulations that would bring ease to a lot of the concerns out there. Concerns around how this would be implemented, what kind of paperwork would be in place and how would it affect the small businesses that are out there and would now have to collect this fee and turn it into the government.

With that, Mr. Chairman, we look forward to proceeding with this and bringing it to conclusion with passage of this bill. Thank you.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. General comments. Ms. Lee.

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a short note to...

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Ms. Lee. We skipped one little step over here. I'd like to ask the Minister if he would like to bring his witnesses.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Is the committee agreed?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses.

Thank you. At this time, I would like to ask the Minister to introduce his witnesses.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have Bob McLeod, he's the deputy minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, to my left; Emery Paquin, who's the director of environmental protection, to my right; and Janice Cooper from Department of Justice on my far right. Thank you.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. General comments. Ms. Lee.

General Comments

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to put on record a brief comment in support of the bill and its principle and its intended action. Mr. Chairman, as you're aware, this has been in the works for several years now. In the spring it almost fell off our agenda due to the demands put on the legislative workload, but I am certainly happy that we were able to see this until this stage. I believe that this is very good legislative action and it will certainly trigger a program that would allow a recycling program in the North that I believe is long overdue. I don't really have much else to add other than to thank all the people involved in this legislation and the department staff who work to incorporate the suggestions that were brought up in the consultation process. I would like to wish the bill well and I hope it has a very good and long, prosperous life. Thank you.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Antoine, any comments?

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

I'd like to thank the Member for her support. It's certainly serious work that we've done to try to reduce impacts waste has on our environment and the amount of litter and cost of handling discarded garbage in our communities. It certainly is a good bill. It's a long time in coming and it's finally here. Hopefully everybody, I'm sure, will support this. Thank you.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, would like to just briefly indicate that I am in support of this legislation. Hopefully it will help us reduce the amount of garbage that we put into landfills and divert waste for reuse or recycling, which will extend the life of land fills.

Over the years, since I've been a Member, I've heard from many of my constituents that this type of legislation should be a priority for the government. So, as Ms. Lee indicated, I was quite concerned this spring when I heard the legislation might not proceed and very happy that the Minister and his department were able to work with the committee to get the legislation to this stage. It's important because I've heard from a lot of people that we need to have legislation that provides residents of the Northwest Territories with the opportunity to participate in recycling programs.

In the North, waste disposal is a challenge for all of us. I know it's certainly something that I experienced when I was a Member of city council. There was always a big concern about how we would deal with waste and the fact that it takes up so much space. Developing new dumps is always a difficult process, just identifying them and then developing them for use. I think that this is going to be an important tool in our arsenal to help reduce the amount of materials that go into our landfills.

In order for this to work properly, we're going to have to make sure that the communities are fully supported to implement the legislation because if it's too much of a burden it won't work. People won't be able to make it work. The successful implementation will also be dependent on the support and the desire of people in the North to make it work. To achieve that and to get the broad public support that we want, the legislation needs to be introduced with a plain language communications campaign.

I note the Minister, in his opening comments, talked about consulting during the development of the programs. I want to really encourage the department to make sure that plain language promotion programs are also used to get people aware of the need to reduce, reuse and recycle and to get people involved in the recycling process. Hopefully this sort of legislation will help create employment as typically there are more jobs associated with recycling of waste than with simple landfill and disposal.

The other thing we have to work towards - and hopefully this legislation will help - is to better promote a climate of conservation or you might say a conservation ethic among our residents, so that we are all using our resources wisely.

So in closing, Mr. Chairman, I am happy to see the bill at this stage. I support the bill and I sincerely hope we will see the program grow very quickly to encompass the other materials that the Minister, in his opening comments, said we might see in the not-too-distant future. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Bell.

Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to echo the sentiments of my colleagues and first, thanking the Minister and his department for bringing this legislation forward. I know they've been working on it for some time. We know it almost didn't make the cut off for getting dealt with in this government because we had so much on our agendas, but it was a public priority. It was apriority of people of the Northwest Territories. That was my sense, at any rate, from the amount of input and feedback I was getting. All credit to the department for recognizing that and for doing what they could to bring this back. So I would like to thank the Minister, also his deputy and the staff of the department, who I think certainly had a personal commitment to seeing this through. I am glad that they have had that.

I do have a couple of questions and I did make a public presentation on some potential concerns that were raised with me and they really relate to the administration of the first program. The Minister did talk in his opening comments about consultation. I wanted to ask just a little bit about the advisory committee and get some understanding from the Minister as to who might make up this committee and my interest is in seeing people involve din the industry who know the business on the advisory committee. Is that the Minister's desire as well? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the intention here is to involve people who are in the distributing industry and community people as well. So it will be consumers and distributors. We will try to have a mix. Thank you.

The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Bell.

Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further from the Minister, as the regulations are developed for this and for other programs, there will be discussion with all MLAs, or at least committee, so that committee and MLAs are able to go out to their constituents and receive input if there are any problems, any concerns, any hang-ups, we can deal with them at that level before we have implemented a program that possibly could cause us problems down the road. Will MLAs have that chance to look at regulations as they develop? Thank you.