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Motion To Move Committee Report 4-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favor? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Committee Report 4-14(6) has been received and will be moved into Committee of the Whole. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and have Committee Report 4-14(6) moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion To Move Committee Report 4-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and advance Committee Report 4-14(6). Are there any nays? There are no nays. Therefore, Committee Report 4-14(6) will be moved into Committee of the Whole for today.

Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for Yellowknife south, Mr. Bell.

Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Social Programs met from January 13 to January 24, 2003 to review the draft main estimates. The Social Programs envelope includes the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Social Services and the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. The committee, in our discussions with the Ministers, raised a number of issues. These discussions resulted in the committee making some specific recommendations. The issues and recommendations will be discussed in detail under the individual departments.

The Standing Committee on Social Programs is very concerned with the capital allocation process. Several large infrastructure projects, which have appeared during this business planning cycle, are causing Members to question the validity of the current methodology in determining how the GNWT's limited funding for capital projects are allocated.

The Social Programs committee relayed these concerns to the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight, who in turn, wrote a letter requesting that the funding for the renovation to the Fort Smith Health Centre, the construction and renovation of student housing for Aurora College and the construction of a new Territorial Women's Correctional Centre be deleted from the infrastructure acquisition plan until such time as their inclusion could be justified to the Standing Committee on Social Programs.

In the response to the letter from the Accountability and Oversight committee the Minister of Finance declined to remove the projects from the infrastructure acquisition plan. The Minister argued that as these projects were for future years, the decision would ultimately rest with the 15th Assembly and that the committee's concerns could be dealt with over the next business planning cycle.

Members of the Standing Committee on Social Programs are very disappointed the government's response ignores the committee's valid concerns. The committee believes that because the infrastructure acquisition plan is included as part of the main estimates, residents of the NWT think the projects and funding for future years have received due diligence from the committee process. This is not the case for future year infrastructure projects.

The danger in allowing these projects to stay in the infrastructure allocation plan is the tendency of the funding numbers to become institutionalized. For example, the government proposes to replace the Territorial Women's' Correctional Centre at a cost of just over $10 million. At this time, even the department agrees with the committee that the functionality and the cost estimates of the proposed facility must be reviewed.

The committee fears leaving the $10 million in the infrastructure allocation plan will mean any planning process will use that number as the end target.

Because of time constraints and other issues surrounding the transition to the next Assembly there may not be sufficient time for the next Standing Committee on Social Programs to fully examine these capital projects. The Standing Committee on Social Programs will therefore be recommending to its successor that the Territorial Women's Correctional Centre, the student housing for the Aurora College Campus and the renovation of the Fort Smith Health Centre be removed from the infrastructure acquisition plan until such time as the respective department's can justify the need for these projects.

Motion To Move Committee Report 5-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, that concludes the introductory comments of the Standing Committee on Social Programs on our report of the draft 2003-2004 Main Estimates. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River North, that Committee Report 5-14(6) be received and moved into Committee of the Whole for further consideration.

Motion To Move Committee Report 5-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell. We have a motion. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Motion To Move Committee Report 5-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried
Revert To Item 12: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

Motion To Move Committee Report 5-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Therefore, Committee Report 5-14(6) will be received and moved into Committee of the Whole for further consideration. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and have Committee Report 5-14(6) moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion To Move Committee Report 5-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and advance Committee Report 5-14(6) into Committee of the Whole for today. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Therefore, Committee Report 5-14(6) will be moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Are there any further reports of standing and special committees? If not, we will go to item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 3, Committee Reports 3-14(6), 4-14(6) and 5-14(6) with Mr. Krutko in the chair.

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I would like to call the Committee of the Whole to order. We have Bill 3, Committee Reports 3-14(6), 4-14(6) and 5-14(6). I would like to ask what the wish is of the committee. Mr. Dent.

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I would like to recommend the committee consider Bill 3 and Committee Reports 3-14(6), 4-14(6) and 5-14(6) concurrently.

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree?

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

We will take a short break and come back and begin with Bill 3.

---SHORT RECESS

Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I will call the Committee of the Whole back to order. Before the recess, we agreed to deal with Bill 3, Appropriation Act, 2003-2004. Any general comments with regard to Bill 3? General comments? What is the wish of the committee?

Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
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Some Hon. Members

Detail.

Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Detail. Does the committee agree?

Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

department Of Health And Social Services
Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

We are dealing with the Department of Health and Social Services, page 6-2. I would like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if he has any opening remarks.

minister's Opening Remarks
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Today, I am pleased to present the 2003-2004 Main Estimates for the Department of Health and Social Services. These main estimates total $226.182 million and represent an approximate 13 percent increase in O and M expenditures compared to last year's main estimates. Of this amount, 73 percent or $163 million is provided to the seven health and social services authorities and a further $19 million is paid to out-of-territories health care providers.

Mr. Chairman, during the meetings with standing committee and in the Legislature last fall, we spoke about the human resource and financial pressures on our health and social services system. All Members of this Legislature talked about the importance of having a stable system that can provide services when they are needed.

I am pleased to say that considerable progress has been made in the last few months to address these pressures. Since the last session, I have released two human resource plans: a retention and recruitment plan for allied professionals, nurses and social workers; and, an interim health profession plan for physicians, midwives and the nursing profession. Together, these inject $9 million in new, ongoing funding to our system. These plans:

  • • Begin to alleviate workload issues in the nursing and physician professions by introducing 42 new positions;
  • • Facilitate the development of two new professions, nurse practitioners and midwives, in the NWT system;
  • • Focus work on identifying appropriate types and numbers of professionals required to effectively provide services in various NWT settings;
  • • Enhance professional development opportunities for our health and social workers;
  • • Streamline hiring processes for hard-to-recruit positions;
  • • Examine issues of compensation in the nursing and allied health care professions; and
  • • Improve the level of educational support for students in the health and social fields.

In addition to these developments, Mr. Chairman, the NWT Medical Association has indicated its support for a new contract for general practitioners.

Mr. Chairman, together, these human resource developments represent significant moves to stabilize and strengthen our workforce. I should note that such change would be next to impossible to develop over the same time frame in another province. But this is precisely the kind of opportunity for change that I spoke about to the Legislative Assembly a mere five months ago. We are small enough to identify innovative solutions to issues and quickly act on them. I believe, Mr. Chairman, these investments will create a work environment that will retain our current professionals and attract others.

The Romanow report presents strong arguments for an increase in federal funding in the health sector. The report has created an opportunity for the Government of the Northwest Territories to pursue discussions with the federal government on funding that will meet our unique health needs and service delivery challenges.

As Members know, these discussions are still underway so there is no guarantee of what funding might come to the NWT. However, we remain optimistic that the federal government will recognize the service delivery challenges and funding needs of Canada's territories. I will work with our Premier and my colleagues to maintain the national recognition of northern health care issues we have achieved in the last two weeks in order to successfully conclude a funding arrangement with the federal government.

We must continue to do the work necessary to demonstrate what resources our system truly needs to provide high quality health and social services throughout the territories. This includes completing two tasks in the HSS system action plan, developing an integrated service delivery model for the NWT and completing a comprehensive human resource plan for the system. These two initiatives, slated for completion in the next six months, will help us define more precisely our resource requirements for a made-in-the-NWT health care system that matches need with service.

Mr. Chairman, these main estimates also include new funding for the government's response to the Social Agenda. This complements the funding being spent across the government to improve the health care of our residents.

Of course, Members are well aware of the work related to the Health and Social Services System Action Plan. Over the next few months, we expect to complete half of the 45 action plan commitments. This includes:

  • • Distributing a self-care handbook and core services information to all NWT households;
  • • Establishing a common approach to sharing expertise and specialized services within the system through collaborative service networks;
  • • Implementing a standardized orientation for staff and board trustees;
  • • Developing a common performance measurement and reporting system; and, developing a five-year plan that addresses health and social impacts relating to economic development.

Each of these accomplishments adds to the capacity of our system to provide high quality care, where and when it is needed.

Mr. Chairman, these activities are only highlights of some of the work being done by the department and authorities. The review of our main estimates provides an opportunity to discuss more of our work. I look forward to discussing our activities and answering the committee's questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

minister's Opening Remarks
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. At this time, I would like to ask the committee responsible for reviewing the department under consideration if they have any comments. Mr. Braden.

standing Committee On Social Programs Comments
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February 13th, 2003

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Social Programs met with the Minister and his officials on January 20, 2003, to discuss the 2003-2004 Main Estimates for the Department of Health and Social Services. The standing committee notes a $13.064 million increase in the budget were the figures presented during the business plan review in September. There is a $426,000 increase in the amortization estimates, a $957,000 increase for the implementation of the Social Agenda action plan; a negative $440,000 reduction for cancelled transfer of Hay River Health and Social Services Board contract; a negative $226,000 transfer of payroll benefit administration for the Fort Smith and Deh Cho boards to the FMBS; $738,000 to deal with recruitment and retention issues; $1.409 million for the implementation of the mental health, addictions and family violence strategy; and finally, Mr. Chairman, $8.259 million for the implementation of interim health professional plan.

Members of the committee were pleased the interim health professional plan contained funding to hire one midwife each for Fort Smith and Hay River. This will allow expectant mothers without any medical complications to give birth in their home communities.

The Standing Committee on Social Programs is concerned with how the capital allocation process determines which facility will be built or renovated in advance of other projects. One of the criteria deputy ministers use in deciding capital allocations is the protection of existing government assets, Mr. Chairman. This means the government will spend money to make sure existing facilities will achieve the maximum operational life. In the case of major facilities such as schools and hospitals, the cost of these renovations can run into the millions of dollars. Such is the case with the health centre in Fort Smith. Members of the standing committee were first made aware of the perceived need to renovate the health centre during a discussion of the 2002-03 draft main estimates. The renovations and the proposed figure of $10 million first appeared in the capital acquisition plan in September of 2002.

Committee members noted the roof of the Fort Smith Health Centre was renovated this year at a cost of $272,000. The committee is having trouble justifying the half-life renovation of a facility when there are communities that do not even have a community health centre or resident nurses, Mr. Chairman. The bigger question is how the capital allocation plan addresses the issue of needed new infrastructure in the communities with the need to protect the government's investment in existing infrastructure. As one Member asked, are we, meaning the Department of Health and Social Services, in the business of protecting people's lives or protecting government assets?

Until such time as the department can provide justification for the midlife renovation of the Fort Smith Health Centre in advance of needed health infrastructure in the communities, the standing committee recommends the proposed funding be removed from the capital allocation plan. This recommendation was passed on to the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight and conveyed by a letter to the Minister of Finance for a response. A response from the Minister indicates the department is planning to complete the master development plan in 2003-2004 to determine program requirements and required facility functionality. The government went on to say it prefers to leave the project in the five-year capital acquisition plan subject to the outcome of the master development plan for the Fort Smith Health Centre. Members of the committee are concerned with this approach, believing there may be a tendency for the program requirements to end up matching the available capital funds.

Mr. Chairman, Members of the standing committee shared the Minister's disappointment over the response to the request for proposals issued on providing a health information toll-free service and agreed that proposed costs were significantly higher than anticipated. The committee could understand the Minister's reluctance to go back to the trough, as it were, for increased funding, given the significant investment of over $13 million the government has made in health care since the review of the business plan.

However, members of the standing committee would be even more disappointed if the government would have let the idea of a toll-free line to provide health information to NWT residents die because there are insufficient funds at this time. It is hoped that funding may become available through the increase in federal funding for health care.

Mr. Chairman, the Standing Committee on Social Programs remains committed to expanding telehealth availability in the NWT. Information provided by the department subsequent to the discussions of the draft main estimates indicate the program is on track and is providing benefit to the medical community and their patients.

Members took note of the current registration process underway for NWT health care cards, Mr. Chairman. With the attempt to match residents with addresses, it should be possible for the Department of Health and Social Services to eliminate much of the health care card abuse that anecdotal evidence suggests is happening. Members of the standing committee and likely the residents of the NWT would be interested in having the Minister communicate the results of the registration process once they are available.

Members of the Standing Committee on Social Programs are aware of the serious increase in the number of child apprehensions, particularly in Yellowknife and Inuvik and have commented on this disturbing trend in past reports. The department, up until this year, has done a good job of implementing recommendations contained in the Child Welfare League of Canada report on the state of the child protection service in the NWT. Members were very disappointed that funding for the last 11 child protection workers recommended by the Child Welfare League was not contained in this year's budget. This was despite Members' understanding that the implementation of the recommendations was a three-year process and would remain a priority in the department.

The standing committee's understanding of the Child Welfare League report also had a recommendation leading to the effective supervision of any new child protection worker hired as a result of the report. Members are concerned that failure to hire the additional 11 child protection workers has also impacted on the number of supervisors and the quality of support available to newly hired child protection workers.

There are some who will argue that the reason there have been more apprehensions over the last few years is that by implementing the Child Welfare League recommendations we have hired more child protection workers. More workers translates into more apprehensions. Or, it may be a case of there being not enough supervisors overseeing the work of the child protection workers and the workers are choosing to apprehend in situations that may not require such drastic measures but which are outside of their experience.

The committee does not believe the issues are that simple. The protection of a child is the focus of the child protection worker. If a child is in an unsafe living environment, the worker has a duty and responsibility to remove the child from the situation that gives rise to their potential concerns. What has been missing from this discussion, Mr. Chairman, is the realization that many of the problems that families are experiencing that give rise to protection concerns and children being apprehended are not that easy to correct, given the lack of services and support available to residents.

The committee will use the example of parents with an alcohol dependency in one of our smaller communities who have had their children apprehended. Before a child protection worker will allow these parents to regain custody of their children, they would have to show they no longer drink irresponsibly. The problem with this is there are no services available in our smaller communities to help the parents recover. There is only one residential treatment program in the NWT, and even if treatment were successful, there is a lack of follow-up and support programs available in the person's home community. If you can't access the services, if you cannot get better, you cannot regain custody of your children. The committee is sure there are people who have given up any attempts to regain custody of their children, because the challenge of regaining sobriety or dealing with issues surrounding residential school abuse has proved too onerous. The committee is of the opinion there is a need to adjust the current child protection system to address the problems that are at the root of the need for apprehensions.

The need for prevention will always be present. Any apprehensions of children in danger are a necessary part of the equation. However, Mr. Chairman, the committee believes that the other side of the coin is the need to support the family in crisis. There must be programs and services in place that help families that want to be together and stay that way. The new Addictions, Mental Health and Family Violence Strategy may help address some of the issues, but it cannot be used by the department to abrogate its responsibility to provide support to families in need.

Mr. Chairman, the standing committee is pleased with the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation's commitment to work with the Department of Health and Social Services to determine the best utilization of the Samba K'e Healing Centre, including the possibility of using it as a territorial treatment centre for youth.

Mr. Chairman, members of the standing committee had expressed reservations with the department's plans to spend $3.3 million in renovating the current Territorial Treatment Centre in Yellowknife, in light of an existing suitable facility being available.

Mr. Chairman, that concludes the committee's report.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Braden. At this time I'd like to ask the Minister if he will be bringing in any witnesses.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Chairman.