This is page numbers 195 - 230 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen, Honourable Jim Antoine, Mr. Bell, Mr. Braden, Mr. Delorey, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen, Honourable Joe Handley, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Lee, Mr. McLeod, Honourable Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Nitah, Honourable Jake Ootes, Mr. Roland, Honourable Vince Steen

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

I wish to inform the House of the unavoidable absence of both our honourable Speaker and Deputy Speaker. Pursuant to section 48 of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, I would request the House to elect a Member to take the chair as Speaker. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Mr. Clerk, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Weledeh, that the Member for Hay River North, Mr. Paul Delorey, be appointed Acting Speaker. Thank you.

Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

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Mr. Delorey, will you please take the chair as Speaker.

The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

I am honoured to take the chair as your Speaker today, but unfortunately it is under very sad circumstances. I only hope that I am able to be as impartial as our honourable Speaker. At this time, I would like to say that our thoughts and prayers are with Elaine, Tony and their boys. We will now move to the orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Honourable Jim Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning Premiers Kakfwi, Okalik and Fentie met with the Prime Minister to discuss federal funding for health care in the territories.

The meeting was arranged because the three territorial Premiers could not support the health care reform package which First Ministers agreed to when they met in Ottawa on February 4th and 5th. The major problem they had with the

package was the per capita formula used to determine the federal share of health care funding which would flow to each territorial government. Very simply, our small populations meant that we would receive limited funding. In our case, the additional federal funding would have paid to run the NWT health system for one week per year.

Since the First Ministers' meetings, the territorial Premiers have made a strong case in support of additional federal health care funding and the need to address the per capita formula issue.

Fortunately, shortly after the First Ministers' meeting, both the Prime Minister and Health Minister McLellan acknowledged in the House of Commons question period that per capita funding does not work for the territories.

Also while there were no formal meetings, territorial officials held information discussions with their federal counterparts on how best to respond to the territories' concerns.

The media were used very effectively by the Premiers to make sure our issues remained before the Canadian public and on the federal agenda. Mr. Speaker, this is the background which led up to this morning's meeting.

The Premier has briefed the Ministers and asked that I report the following to the Legislative Assembly. The meeting was positive. In addition to the Prime Minster and Premiers, territorial Members of Parliament, Health Minister McLellan and the federal clerk were also in attendance.

In response to the need for more federal health care funding in the short term, the Prime Minister has agreed to set up a territorial fund with a floor of $60 million to be allocated on the basis of $20 million for each territory.

This funding is in addition to per capita funding which each territory will receive through the Canadian Health Care Accord 2003. The Prime Minister has directed that the Clerk of the Privy Council, the most senior official in the federal bureaucracy, act as his delegate and work with territorial officials on the details of the territorial health care fund. A deadline of March 31, 2003, has been set.

A second health related feature of the meeting included a commitment from the Prime Minister to provide health reform funding on the basis of proposals prepared by each territorial government. Minister McLellan has agreed to come north and meet with her territorial counterparts on this initiative.

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Finally, the Prime Minister has directed the Clerk to develop a process for addressing per capita funding inequities by April 1, 2003 and the fiscal challenges facing the territories generally by April 1, 2004. The Premier said he is most encouraged by the Prime Minister's commitment to have his Ministers and officials work with their territorial counterparts to find solutions within a set time frame.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier has asked that I convey, on behalf of Cabinet, our appreciation to the Prime Minister for taking action on the health funding issue and also the problem which the territories have with per capita funding, not only for health care but for a wide range of other federal government programs.

In addition, we want to thank our territorial colleagues, provincial Premiers, former health care commissioner Roy Romanow, our Member of Parliament and Senator for their involvement and support.

The support of this Legislative Assembly and the people of the Northwest Territories has also been essential to achieving our objectives.

Cabinet will continue to keep this Legislative Assembly and the public informed as events unfold. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

GNWT Pay Deductions For Mandatory Christmas Leave
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to rise to speak on the issue of treatment of the government employees. Mr. Speaker, some time ago, a decision was made by the 13th Legislative Assembly that there would be mandatory days off during the Christmas period. Mr. Speaker, the employees were told they would have to do with five days less pay. It would happen between Christmas and New Year's and many Members of the Assembly felt it wasn't fair for our employees to go without a pay cheque or half a pay cheque during that critical time of year when expenses are high, especially around Christmas. So we urged the government to make the change necessary and felt that they had come to a reasonable compromise. Mr. Speaker, the government began taking off 1.92 percent from employees' payroll to cover off that one week, so throughout the year they would have an equal amount every two weeks of the year, so that five days of mandatory leave would not be harshly felt.

Mr. Speaker, it has just recently come to my attention that our government has dealt with the employees in a way that seems quite arbitrary and unfair. We know the 1.92 percent is taken off from salary they have earned throughout the year, but what I have heard is if an employee is to resign or step out of this government before they receive that pay cheque in December, that they forfeit that money, that one week's pay, if they have been employed all year.

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Some Hon. Members

Shame!

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Now I understand the union has agreed and signed this, but still, Mr. Speaker, it seems arbitrary that as an employee the government would take some of my own money and rebalance my pay cheque so that every two weeks I would have an equal pay cheque. Then if I leave the government, whether I go south or move to another job in my community, I am told, thank you for your money, you can go on and we are going to keep it and use it for something else. It's arbitrary and absolutely unfair. It's the employees' money, it's taken from their pay cheque and it should go to those employees that pay. I will be asking questions of the appropriate Minister during question period. Thank you.

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho, Mr. McLeod.

Community Self-government Liaison Officers
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Association of Municipalities, now called the NWT Association of Communities, was formed in 1967 and has stayed the course by adapting to the changing political landscape by providing a forum in which member communities can discuss and exchange information on common issues.

Mr. Speaker, over the last several decades, communities in the NWT have had to focus on land claims and what impact it would have, not only on individuals, but also on the communities as a whole. As aboriginal claims are settled, and aboriginal self-government becomes a topic, the same communities must now become informed on the impact that will have on communities. It is stated in the document, Securing Our Future, that the Government of the Northwest Territories must work with the aboriginal and community governments to clarify new roles brought on by aboriginal self-government.

Mr. Speaker, the association wishes to put action to that statement by taking up the challenge to assist each of its member communities in understanding aboriginal self-government and self-government implementation processes at the community level. With encouragement from the Premier, the association submitted a proposal to MACA requesting funds for the purpose of employing a self-government liaison officer whose duties will include providing communities with the information and support required to better understand the impact of self-government and self-government implementation may have at the community level.

This government now has the opportunity to live up to its commitment by supporting the proposal submitted to the Minister of MACA by the NWT Association of Communities. It's an excellent and timely opportunity for this government to develop a partnership with the communities for the delivery and communication of information on self-government. Who better to have as a partner than an organization with member community governments that interact with local residents on a daily basis.

Mr. Speaker, self-government may lead to a change in the way community government is structured and delivered. Therefore, it is important that we provide every resource to the communities in order that they better understand aboriginal self-government. Mr. Speaker, I stand in support of this request from the NWT Association of Communities and I recommend this government show its support by considering this initiative, an initiative that will result in informed communities and individuals. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to highlight a government and industry partnership that kicks off today across town, actually at Northern United Place, with the launch of the apprenticeship support materials. Mr. Speaker, we all know the northern economy is booming and with that boom has come an increased demand for skilled trades people. More and more people and certainly more young people, when we go around to schools that we have had a chance to talk to, are becoming interested in apprenticeships, but there is a major hurdle, Mr. Speaker. That is the trades entrance exam. In some communities, mostly the smaller communities, fewer than 10 percent of those taking the exam get a passing grade on their first attempt. That's not a big surprise, Mr. Speaker, when you consider that until now, there have been no support materials or training available.

De Beers Canada Mining has recognized this, Mr. Speaker. They knew it would be a problem to achieve the goal of having a northern workforce able to participate in meaningful occupations, but these materials, Mr. Speaker, should address that shortcoming. The focus will be in the areas of math, science and reading comprehension, all of the components required to be successful in the trades entrance exam. If you are wondering about the format, it will be available in the traditional paper-based format, but also in CD and web-based and that will allow it to be easily expandable and adaptable.

I know many of the Members will be wondering if you have to come to Yellowknife to access these materials and the answer is no, Mr. Speaker. Training is going to take place across the Northwest Territories. Training will be offered, I understand, at apprenticeship offices, career development centres, community learning centres, at college campuses and in high schools right across the NWT. I should highlight the partners, Mr. Speaker. De Beers Canada obviously have been very influential, but ECE and the federal government, various departments, Aurora College, Skills Canada, the NWT and Nunavut branches, and also, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the Genesis Group, a local firm who are very influential and were behind the development of these specific materials.

So, Mr. Speaker, I think we all look forward to good things that I believe will come from this partnership. Thank you.

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Lafferty.

Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the October sitting of this Legislature, one of the issues in the spotlight was the issue of energy rates. The government had been considering changing the rate structure from a community-based rate to a flat rate, but because of the lack of clear communication, direction and discussion, this initiative was dropped and the community-based rate was readopted.

A community-based rate for power systems means that each community pays for its own power use. On the surface, this might seem fair. In reality, it isn't. The service and delivery costs in the smaller communities are higher than in the regional centres, as there is a small population base to draw from in order to cover the costs. Mr. Speaker, the case for a one-rate system for power use is the same as the case my colleagues are making for health care.

Yesterday in the House, some of my colleagues pointed out that there is a three-tiered health care system in the North because of the benefits the status people get. They stated that this was unfair. I feel the same way about community-based power rates. When I turn on the light switch in my home in Rae, why should I pay more than my colleagues in Yellowknife, Hay River or Fort Smith? I am not getting enhanced services. The light beams do not come out as a rainbow. We are all receiving the same service and, in fairness, we should all be paying the same rate.

In this Legislature, we are confronted continually with inequities that exist whether it be equal pay for work of equal value, the levels of basic health care service or the rates Northerners pay for their power. As elected officials who are going to work for all Northerners, one of the things we have done for this Assembly is pass a Human Rights Act which recognizes the equality of all Northerners.

I think we need to continue with our work by ensuring that the equality of Northerners extends to ensuring that we pay the same power rate regardless of where we live in the North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Braden.

Cancellation Of Caribou Carnival
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was with a sense of regret and surprise, Mr. Speaker, that Yellowknifers heard this morning that the Caribou Carnival won't happen this year. There have been hundreds of volunteers over the years who have put thousands of hours into making this truly unique northern event happen. We've watched the event flow from good years to bad, from stone to flood, from one quirky controversy to another, but this year it seems it was the final straw as the support the volunteers needed to build a strong committee, raise the money and carry through failed to materialize. This is not a time to point fingers. Indeed, it is the time to salute those who came forward this year and did their best to carry off the carnival. I also salute them, Mr. Speaker, for making a brave decision to cut the event loose and declare it lost for this year. They have accepted the reality that I believe, will result in this community taking a good long look at what we really value, what our identity is and what we do to celebrate it. I'm confident that what comes out of this will be the renewal of the NWT's biggest winter festival into something that reflects a new Yellowknife, new NWT or hopefully we will keep the values and traditions that we call ours. One of the values that have to change, Mr. Speaker, is how this community supports its volunteers. In the early 90's, I was carnival president for three years and I know what it is like to scramble together an event that takes months to organize, upwards of $200,000 dollars to stage with a skeleton crew and a cap in hand approach to generating support and finding people ready to roll up their sleeves. I also note the personal satisfaction, Mr. Speaker, that comes in seeing something that really works well and seeing smiles on faces and the relief we all got by having some fun after a long cold winter. With the weather we are getting these days, we are really going to miss it this year. I believe the business community, this city of Yellowknife and this government should all rethink the value of this event, the value we put in our volunteers and what this means to the pride and spirit of this community. Political and financial support are essential. Mr. Speaker, next year would have been the 50th year of this remarkable event, let's let it go. I appeal to the people of Yellowknife to resolve to start new, start fresh and create the first year of a winter festival that we can again be proud of. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this week is Aurora College Week and I'd like to recognize the fine work the Aurora College does for the people in the Northwest Territories. Aurora College, being the deliverer of education, I'd like to speak a little bit on the value of education, specifically communications, Mr. Speaker. Communication is one of the most important tools that we have as human beings in society. Words, Mr. Speaker, put in the right context, steer emotions in us and those around us. Those emotions lead to action and those actions that result in the lives that we lead. The importance of education and the importance of teaching our people and our youngsters to communicate is very important. A study done, some 50 years ago, in the penal institutions of the United States demonstrated very clearly that those that don't communicate well, tend to react very violently because of frustration. I sometimes wonder maybe it is that lack of communication skills that we see such high instances of violence against one another in Northwest Territories. The statistics in the Northwest Territories are deplorable. So, today, I just wanted to stand up and recognize the Aurora College and speak to the importance of education, specifically in the area of communication. Congratulations. I believe there are events happening throughout the Territories for Aurora College Week. I know there is a drum dance at the Yellowknife Campus between 7 and ten; we're all encouraged to attend if we can. Mahsi cho.

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like today to draw the attention to, in particular the Minister of Justice, a deficiency that we seem to have in the labour standards process, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a constituent who took an issue to the Labour Standards Board because he was short changed on his wages and while it took him a long time in getting there, he did eventually succeed in getting a favourable decision to have his wage paid. This decision of the board was made back in 1998 and five years later, he still hasn't seen a cent of his judgment. I don't think that we should take lightly the possibility that someone could be out of their wages and then have to go through a process like this to win a decision and then not be able to collect it. I do believe the very purpose and the reason why we have a law that governs the labour standards process is for people like that to go to and to avoid the expensive court system. Something that is happening is not meeting this obligation, Mr. Speaker. I have been in touch with the Minister on this and what I see as the problem of not being able to collect is that the employer keeps appealing the decision, and the more the employer delays it, he doesn't have to meet the obligation of the standards board. What I have been suggesting to the Minister of Justice is to sit up, change the law, make the law whereby the employer, or whoever loses the decision, is forced to put a deposit of the money that they are supposed to pay to the employees. In other words, Mr. Speaker, if someone has been short changed in wages of $5,000 dollars, the employer should be obligated or to pay that money and put it on deposit so that we avoid situations where the employer keeps appealing the decision as a way to avoid payment. I have urged the Minister to look into this. I have been told that this will probably not make it to the legislative agenda because of the crowded situation. But, I do believe that this is a very important issue and one that should be looked at by the Minister as well as the Cabinet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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