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Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to go back to the first line of questioning that I did, where I talked about the hamlet spending a lot of money. The Minister did reply that they were in a deficit for $400,000 and they were built up. It was just the right thing to do, because it was because of this department and DPW that they were in debt. MACA forced DPW on them. In the prior years to their takeover, MACA forced DPW on them. So it accumulated debt because of overcharging from DPW, and that was the reason. The other thing, using the old formula they were under funded. They're still under funded. Maybe this is the time to look at how they're funded. We have two communities here. Right now you overlooked Edzo when you did the chipseal. How many times in the past have you overlooked Edzo? You know nobody can tell us that, but maybe you've done that in the past. Maybe Edzo is not even being funded for and Rae is carrying Edzo. Maybe it's time we looked at it. We're being thrown in the same category as Rankin Inlet at one time, and that's the formula how we were based, by population. The separation of the two communities never came into effect, they never even considered it. Then when the Minister said where the takeover was a failure, of course it had to be a failure. There was agreement by Public Works that they would bring people in to train the staff that were there. It never happened. It was part of the agreement. They failed on their agreement. MACA and DPW failed on their agreement. They were supposed to give them extra dollars for training for the staff out there. They never did that, they failed. This government failed Rae-Edzo great big time. Underfunding, forcing DPW on them, and not giving them the dollars for the training, and that was a service agreement they failed on.

That's where the Transportation responsibility has said that the winter road is a responsibility of Transportation, well then maybe everybody should keep their own responsibilities to themselves. Sorry, Madam Chair.

The department has no right building airstrips in communities, because it's not their responsibility. It's the responsibility of the Minister of Transportation, and they're still continuing to build airstrips. So if it's good for one, then it should be good for another. Now they can't just pick and choose who they feel like building airstrips for or winter roads. If you're going to do for one you do it for the other. You know, it has to be done. So I'd just like to get that clear, and I know we are running out of time and I want him to give me a good answer that's something that we can use. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I agree with the Member that water and sewage program funding of programs should have another look at it, and the department has been doing that. We're trying to come up with a different type of formula, because a lot of the communities are not happy with the formula. But whatever we come up with, before we're going to put it in place, we're going to take it to the NWTAC and we're going to take it to the communities to have their consultation and input.

But Edzo is included with Rae as part of formula funding for that community, including the water and sewage programs. The only problem with Edzo is it's not one of the 33 communities. So it's not on the chipseal program. It's not a community under MACA's programs. It's considered part of Rae. It's the same problem that one of the Members identified earlier with Ndilo and I believe with West Channel. Same problem. So that's why it's not obvious that Edzo is separate, funded for itself. It's funded through Rae-Edzo.

In regards to the overall program in relation to roads; like I said earlier, we identified how we fund roads. I identified to the Member how we do that. I'm sorry if the Member feels that MACA should be doing the winter road from Rae to Edzo, but we don't do it. We don't do that road, we don't do the road in the bay down here. We don't have a program for that.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Lafferty.

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Minister is right that Edzo is not on the map. It's part of Rae-Edzo. Maybe it is time we started funding Edzo by itself. You said it was similar to the reserve, it's not similar to the reserve. It's within a municipality. The reserve is separate in your books and Hay River is separate in your books. It isn't in Edzo. So if you were going to consider main street, Edzo has a main street. Why didn't you take 140 metres of that Rae chipseal and throw it in Edzo if that's the case, so we can have two little footprints in both communities? Maybe you should have done that. You totally ignored Edzo. It has its own main street, and I think it's time we look at the way we're doing the funding over there.

As for the Transportation responsibility, I just threw that in as an example, and you're picking and choosing what you can do. You're building an airstrip for a community, and the winter road was just an example I threw at you. So I will be asking Transportation, when it comes Transportation time, for my winter road. But it was just an example of what you're picking and choosing, and this government is very good at picking and choosing and including politics in it. So for the shortfalls that Rae-Edzo has been getting, I think it's time this government looks at for the transition period of the new Legislative Assembly. Because we were supposed to fix all the wrongs we've been doing, and that's one place where we've been doing something wrong. We haven't been recognizing Edzo. Maybe it's time they put their own community hall in there. Maybe it's time that we gave them their own grader to maintain their roads. Maybe it's time that they had their own DPW staff there. You know, DPW is such a lovely group of people there, and maybe we can have their own group there. That's all I have. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Steen, we have 10 seconds to go until I recognize the clock. Would you like to have a final word, Mr. Steen?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I'm prepared to put in place a policy that would recognize the community with the criteria to define the community, and take that to all the ordinary Members and to the Cabinet, then we could have it. We have three different requests now for this particular need to define communities, and maybe that's what's needed, is a policy that will actually define a community, and I'm prepared to do that.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen. It's 6:00, so I'll now recognize the clock and rise and report progress. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Steen, Ms. DeLancey and Ms. Bassi-Kellett. Thank you.

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

I'll call the House back to order. May I have the report of Committee of the Whole? The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 3, Appropriation Act, 2003-2004, and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Do we have a seconder? The Chair will recognize the Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine. There is a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

Question has been called. All in favour? Opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 22, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, item 23, orders of the day.

Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, a meeting of the Special Committee on Self-Government and the Sunset Clause at adjournment tonight, at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning of the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight. Orders of the day for Friday, February 21, 2003:

  1. Prayer
  2. Ministers' Statements
  3. Members' Statements
  4. Returns to Oral Questions
  5. Recognitions of Visitors in the Gallery
  6. Oral Questions
  7. Written Questions
  8. Returns to Written Questions
  9. Replies to Opening Address
  10. Replies to Budget Address
  11. Petitions
  12. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
  13. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
  14. Tabling of Documents
  15. Notices of Motion
  16. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills
  17. Motions
  18. First Reading of Bills
  19. Second Reading of Bills
  20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Bill 3, Appropriation Act, 2003-2004

- Bill 6, Electoral Boundaries Commission Act

- Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act

- Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Elections Act

- Committee Report 3-14(6), Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight Report on the Review of the Draft 2003-2004 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 4-14(6), Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development Report on the Review of the Draft 2003-2004 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 5-14(6), Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the Draft 2003-2004 Main Estimates

  1. Report of Committee of the Whole
  2. Third Reading of Bills
  3. Orders of the Day

Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day

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The Acting Speaker

The Acting Speaker Paul Delorey

This House stands adjourned until 10:00 a.m., February 21, 2003.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 6:00 p.m.